[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by BPMSport

ZF 8HP is without question a better option than the DCT gearboxes.

You should feel what a tuned 8HP gearbox is like.. DCT doesn't have a chance. With the gearshift intervention limiters completely removed, it bangs harder than an SMG and shifts faster than a DCT could dream of.

The 8HP is an incredible gearbox. DCT's have a real rough time holding up in applications with greater than 700 ft/lbs in the long run, while the 8HP continues to impress.

BMW's test run with the 8HP was in the E70 X5 50i, the first E series to get it. It was impressive back then and much improved now.

I'm sure ZF8's ability to handle more torque is a dream to tuners, but I'm not looking for more power in any of my cars. ZF8 has a clear hardware limit of only being able to rev up to 7,300 rpm when oil cavitation starts to destroy the gearbox. I track my car and I want every rev possible from the engine.

I have also repeatedly stated my dissatisfaction of ZF8 isn't about the longitudinal acceleration in automatic mode, but its delayed response to manual shifts vs. DCT. It is good to know aftermarket software could resolve this issue, but then why wouldn't BMW release like that in the first place? I suspect it invokes a reliability issue that no longer justifies replacing DCT for reliability advantage.

Lastly, If the ZF8 was "so good", every supercar manufacturer would have adopted them long time ago despite packaging issues that some seem to point out. Simple fact is, it just doesn't have the traits that a keen driver appreciates.

[yami sukehiro]

what do you guys think the advertised 0-60 will be for this? Anywhere near the g80 m3cx that is around 3.1 (tested not advertised)?

[trey100]

Originally Posted by yami sukehiro

what do you guys think the advertised 0-60 will be for this? Anywhere near the g80 m3cx that is around 3.1 (tested not advertised)?

No way. Less power than a base 6MT G80 and same weight.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by BPMSport

ZF 8HP is without question a better option than the DCT gearboxes.

Porsche would definitely like to argue that.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by yami sukehiro

what do you guys think the advertised 0-60 will be for this?

Honestly don't care.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Honestly don't care.

+1

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Honestly don't care.

I'm sorry, unless I misread the question, yami sukehiro was asking about the likely 0-60, not whether you cared or not. As such, if you don't have an intelligent response, don't respond at all please.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by yami sukehiro

what do you guys think the advertised 0-60 will be for this? Anywhere near the g80 m3cx that is around 3.1 (tested not advertised)?

Hmmm, nope!?

M3
XDrive
510 HP
Advertised 3.5

M2
SDrive
420-450 HP

...and you wonder if the M2 will be advertised near 3.1?

[yami sukehiro]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Hmmm, nope!?

M3
XDrive
510 HP
Advertised 3.5

M2
SDrive
420-450 HP

...and you wonder if the M2 will be advertised near 3.1?

Well more like within the ballpark of 3.1, like within 0.3 - 0.5s. The m240 advertises 382hp with a 4.1 0-60 but tested from what I've seen it can do it in 3.8 or even a little faster so will be interesting to see if they could get to say 3.4/3.5 with the m2 IF they make an AWD version at some point.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by yami sukehiro

Well more like within the ballpark of 3.1, like within 0.3 - 0.5s. The m240 advertises 382hp with a 4.1 0-60 but tested from what I've seen it can do it in 3.8 or even a little faster so will be interesting to see if they could get to say 3.4/3.5 with the m2 IF they make an AWD version at some point.

Yeah agreed it will be close but the advertised wont be quicker than the M3. I think the actual achieved will be anywhere from Advertised 3.9 (M3 is 3.8 so I wont be less I dont think).

Actual of course could be as low as 3.3, 3.4 and up but only if MXdrive but you did ask Advertised which currently on BMW trend seems to be about 0.4s off.

They're all getting quick!!!

[trey100]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Yeah agreed it will be close but the advertised wont be quicker than the M3. I think the actual achieved will be anywhere from Advertised 3.9 (M3 is 3.8 so I wont be less I dont think).

Actual of course could be as low as 3.3, 3.4 and up but only if MXdrive but you did ask Advertised which currently on BMW trend seems to be about 0.4s off.

They're all getting quick!!!

This is interesting as I could see the M240 with AWD being quicker than the M2 at least to 60 and the M2 catching up by 100 and passing by the 1/4 mile.

[BMWPGA84]

I'd imagine new M2 would be 3.9 / 4.0. It has to be faster than the m240i

M2 (2021) Comp RWD 405 HP 0-60 4.2

M2 (2021) CS RWD 444 HP 0-60 3.8

M3 Sedan RWD 473 HP 4.1

What will get them .2 - .3 faster than previous generation M2 Competition? I'd bet 425 HP will put them around 3.9 / 4.0.

[Datka]

Does anyone know what will be the approximate weight of the new m2?

[lzhmax]

Not really a fan of the new design, F87 FTW

[Vojta89]

Originally Posted by Datka

Does anyone know what will be the approximate weight of the new m2?

I would guess 30-40 kg over M240i non xdrive…
so let's say about 1750 kg will be 8AT version
and about 1725 kg with 6MT

Weight with fluids, full tank and without driver or passangers

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Datka

Does anyone know what will be the approximate weight of the new m2?

It will be heavier than the F87, unfortunately that is a current trend.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by lzhmax

Not really a fan of the new design, F87 FTW

I’m a fan of the new 2 coupe. We have an M240i in the stable and I really like the new design. It’s fresh and unique, there’s no way you mistake it for the old 2 series or a 3 series.

Further it’s just plain badass, especially in black. The boxy shape with the upright flat front and the stance with the low wide front accentuated by the single headlights out in the corners, as a whole it reminds me of Ken Block’s hoonicorn.

IMO it seems many focus too much on single details as rear lights instead of the whole. It’s a cool looking car.