[blackout23]

Originally Posted by mzcp

This thread is gonna be locked soon 3-2-1

I'll enjoy it while I can, just like my time on this forum.

They can take away my posts, but they can't take away the memories.

[mzcp]

Can be talk about cars and be civil? I am not taking sides. There are other things to be upset about.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The four cylinder in the base Cayman/Boxster is dreadful. Drive one and report back. I rather much have the S and yes I am aware that it is also a four cylinder. If the S is not financially an option then G87 it is!

yeah, this is not really a fair comparison due to the fact that on one side you have the lowest trim of one manufacturer and the highest trim of the other. If this is the only two options then yeah, you should go with the M2.

[blackout23]

Originally Posted by mzcp

Can be talk about cars and be civil? I am not taking sides. There are other things to be upset about.

I'm bored now, but let's be real... the conversation didn't really stray off topic. Is this gonna be a "cars and coffee" type of thread, or a "at the club listening to skrillex" type of thread?

Let me the people decide.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by blackout23

I'm bored now, but let's be real... the conversation didn't really stray off topic. Is this gonna be a "cars and coffee" type of thread, or a "at the club listening to skrillex" type of thread?

Let me the people decide.

You’re bored? How about the rest of us reading your blather?

[m20e3087]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Our group has several Porsche stores. In fact we have one within blocks of our BMW store. I have driven many of them. Sorry, but it is horrible in my book.

I would also agree. IMO go with six bangers otherwise your just paying for the name. I have driven both 4 and 6 cyl, for me its six cylinder any day.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by blackout23

So now that you're 25 and you've got your sweet new-ish Audi and/or non-M 2 series you're running with the big boys in GT3s and Lambos I'd imagine?

2018 was 5 years ago bud. You might want to improve your math skills.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

718 4.0 GTS or above is the only one worth getting over the M2. I wouldn't bother with anything less than a flat six engine (i.e proven design).

agreed

[msport-mark]

Originally Posted by AndrejMi

Looking at these 2 options. Either a black on cognac M2 6MT or a Cayman Base 6MT blue on brown. The G87 will lease out better:
(Cayman my spec MSRP 85.500 $1150 monthly)
(M2 my spec MSRP 66.250 roughly $900 monthly)
Besides the savings the M2 is quicker and a more year round car. I have already spoke with the respective dealers and wait time is similar if the car is already allotted for. The Cayman is harder to get but both should be at MSRP (BMW 100% is). I'm very loyal to both brands and am leaning the Cayman, especially because I don't like the shifters in BMWs. Size wise they're both good, I also had a E36 which I feel the G87is similar sized. Since Porsches lease out like garbage should I look into the M2, is there something I should know before fighting this battle out? Thanks for any tips and help, I am looking to trade out of my 22 Honda Civic 6MT.

I sell new and preowned Porsche and the only new 718 I have seen recently was a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and a GT4 RS. In fact, we are sold out of 2023 718's and the only one that Porsche will continue to build for at least the short term is the GT4 RS and we have received one allocation so far. I wanted to order a 718 as well but since I can't get one from my dealership and after reading and watching YouTube videos on the M2 I decided to call a friend at the local BMW dealership to see if they had one coming in that was available. He said it's the only one he will have for a year or so I asked him to put my name on it. It should be here in a week or so. I'm actually excited about getting this new M2! To me this new 2023 makes the previous generation look dated.

[AndrejMi]

Im 20 so im hoping around 21ish ill have the car. Im thinking about ordering late this year depending what way the economy swings. Im still weighing pros and cons. I didn't like how the F8X Ms drove. would these be any similar.

[BRAKE!]

Hey all, both cars are great. It’s all based on opinion and how you feel about something isn’t subject to a fact/fiction.

It’s a win-win here. If you have to money to buy something that’s not a necessity, then you’re doing well (especially in this economy) just my 2 cents

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by msport-mark

I sell new and preowned Porsche and the only new 718 I have seen recently was a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and a GT4 RS. In fact, we are sold out of 718's and the only one that Porsche will continue to build for at least the short term is the GT4 RS and we have received one allocation so far. I wanted to order a 718 as well but since I can't get one from my dealership and after reading and watching YouTube videos on the M2 I decided to call a friend at the local BMW dealership to see if they had one coming in that was available. He said it's the only one he will have for a year or so I asked him to put my name on it. It should be here in a week or so. I'm actually excited about getting this new M2! To me this new 2023 makes the previous generation look dated.

Very good and factual info on the Porsche. Not only the wait time, as mentioned, but many locales will be higher than MSRP, but they may require you take more options than you wanted/planned (because the shortage of availability, some are basically making buyers option them out). Oh yeah, you want a personal color, you will have to wait till next year for that.

[VT Skier]

Originally Posted by AndrejMi

I made this post to see which car to choose but when I see the owners of the M2s it makes me consider the porsche even more. They are very inviting people.

A lot of people hate the Porsche 4-cyl because it isn't a 6-cyl. I think it's an amazing engine that was immediately dumped on. Just like people are dumping on the G87 because it isn't as light as M cars were 20 years ago.

I didn't love the 4-cyl enough to buy it, but given the way most people feel about it, if I were you I would strongly consider it. I could be perfectly happy with one.

Maybe even consider a used or CPO Cayman S/GTS with the 2.5 engine. Because of the hatred, these cars are under-appreciated and under-valued. Like the 928, which was a great car.

All IMHO and YMMV, of course.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by AndrejMi

I made this post to see which car to choose but when I see the owners of the M2s it makes me consider the porsche even more. They are very inviting people.

The Porsche forum members weren't very inviting to me back in early 2002 when I was shopping for my first Porsche and had the audacity to ask about possible discounts.

But the attitude changed after I bought my Boxster. (At more than $4000 off of sticker...)

My Porsche experience on the whole was good. Put 317K miles on my Boxster, and 150K miles on my Porsche 996 Turbo.

Just for me I got Porsche out of my system. While the Boxster and Cayman S were superb cars with handling one could only imagine the best *road* car was my Turbo. Why? Because with rear seats I could when I got tired stop and recline my seat and stretch out and catch 40 winks. With the Boxster and Cayman with no rear seats just the engine compartment bulkhead behind the seats this was not possible.

The 718 and M2 are quite different cars. Both fine cars but both with limitations/trade offs.

I didn't shop Boxster vs. some front engine car (I had a 2001 Z28 at the time) but I shopped mid-engine cars. Ferrari was out. There was the Pontiac Fiero ("old") or the Toyota MR2. But the MR2 had zero room for luggage. The Boxster had a large front trunk and a good sized rear trunk. While it was considerably more money that the MR2 I bought the Boxster and never looked back.

[dagoban]

I was in a similar situation, although in my case the choice was easier . The car I wanted was the Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 but at home they told me no, that it had to be a car where we could all fit, so I went for the BMW M2 G87.

The Porsche is much more fun but the BMW is much more practical, that's where the final decision lies: If the car is only going to be used by you, the Porsche, if you have to take family or more people, the BMW.

If you finally choose the Porsche, please have an atmospheric engine.

[Humdizzle]

1. cayman s
2. supra
3. m2 comp

[VT Skier]

It all depends on what is meant by "usable" and "daily". If you're young and single, and don't haul a lot of stuff, maybe the Cayman and Supra fit those descriptions.

[Gib007]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

The Porsche forum members weren't very inviting to me back in early 2002 when I was shopping for my first Porsche and had the audacity to ask about possible discounts.

But the attitude changed after I bought my Boxster. (At more than $4000 off of sticker...)

This reminds me of when I asked for a Porsche 718 Cayman S quote and got one for €80,100 and they decided to round it down to €80,000 as if that was a massive favour. I was so offended, I didn't even reply. That was for a pretty basic Cayman S. I ended up ordering a fully-loaded M2 G87 for €6,000 less...

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Gib007

This reminds me of when I asked for a Porsche 718 Cayman S quote and got one for €80,100 and they decided to round it down to €80,000 as if that was a massive favour. I was so offended, I didn't even reply. That was for a pretty basic Cayman S. I ended up ordering a fully-loaded M2 G87 for €6,000 less...

You have to pick the right time. When I walked into the dealer showroom -- April 2009 -- the new 2008 Cayman S I was there to buy was marked down $12,000!. List: $62.6K. I bought it for $50.6K. And got a reasonable trade in allowance for my 2006 GTO.

Those were dark times for automakers. Well, at least Porsche.

[JCZ5]

This is a good comparison at face value (and if pricing is not too much of a concern lol). I have been debating between the new M2 or a 718 4.0. But both are so great in their respective use cases. We try and plug one specialized vehicle into 10+ scenarios, we're bound to be disappointed.

As for me, I will need to drive the new M2 and see...

[c1pher]

The only two 718s to consider IMO, having own two of them is the base 718 and the GTS4.0/GT4. However, if you're looking at a loaded up 718, save yourself some money and get the M2. The base 718 makes way more sense as a stripped model to keep it light and fun. Once you start adding options, you get very close to GTS4.0 money which is a far more capable car. If you're looking at a GTS4.0/GT4 or an M2.....get the GTS4.0/GT4....if you can get one.

[akhbhaat]

OP: Hammer v. Scalpel. Very different vibes. Drive both and you'll have no trouble making the decision.

Originally Posted by c1pher

The base 718 makes way more sense as a stripped model to keep it light and fun.

+1

This is why the now-dead Cayman T was perfect. You would buy it as-standard (since it comes with some nice stuff unlike the true base) with almost no other options for ~$70k and enjoy.

If you want a flat 6, and I wouldn't blame you (I made the same call), I'd take the 981 GTS over the 718 equivalent. Sells for M2 money. Flash the 991 GT3 steering program into the 981 GTS and you a have a more visceral, much better sounding, and moderately slower (but still very quick) car for a rather ridiculous $35-40k discount.