[baege]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

OP: Hammer v. Scalpel. Very different vibes. Drive both and you'll have no trouble making the decision.

+1

This is why the now-dead Cayman T was perfect. You would buy it as-standard (since it comes with some nice stuff unlike the true base) with almost no other options for ~$70k and enjoy.

If you want a flat 6, and I wouldn't blame you (I made the same call), I'd take the 981 GTS over the 718 equivalent. Sells for M2 money. Flash the 991 GT3 steering program into the 981 GTS and you a have a more visceral, much better sounding, and moderately slower (but still very quick) car for a rather ridiculous $35-40k discount.

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having had 2 981 Cayman S's, an F87 M2C, and now a GTS 4.0, but admittedly never having driven the G87 but relying on reviews, I would say the OP's best bet is either a 981S, 981GTS or a F87M2C, either will be considerably more fun than the G87 or the 718 with the four pot and they won't depreciate much.

[10"]

Don’t understand cross shopping these 2 cars—they are nothing alike at all.

2 totally different machines for very different purposes IMO.

[Mike_H_]

Originally Posted by blackout23

So now that you're 25 and you've got your sweet new-ish Audi and/or non-M 2 series you're running with the big boys in GT3s and Lambos I'd imagine?

You neither know which battles are worth fighting nor how to fight them to win.

Instead, you internalize minor issues, take them personally, then spew endless insults instead of offering valid arguments.

When EVERYONE ELSE is the enemy, then YOU are the problem, you clearly don't get that, so I'll make it clear, it's a YOU issue.

Seems like worrying about people ragging on 4-cylinder cars that you yourself declined to purchase is the least of your issues.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by 10"

Don’t understand cross shopping these 2 cars—they are nothing alike at all.

2 totally different machines for very different purposes IMO.

I’m currently cross shopping between the M2 and 718 GTS. Why? Because I don’t specifically have a use case and those two intrigue me the most 🤣.

Once you get to a certain point, especially these emotional purchases, you don’t need to confine to a particular segment

[mzcp]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I’m currently cross shopping between the M2 and 718 GTS. Why? Because I don’t specifically have a use case and those two intrigue me the most ��.

Once you get to a certain point, especially these emotional purchases, you don’t need to confine to a particular segment

Exactly that's what I did. I got called out moving from G80 to CGTS. Everyone's needs and situation are different. You don't have to justify your purchase to others. Buy what makes you happy

[bobSupra]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Lol. I wiped plenty of retired dentists in their Caymans and 911s when I used to run my 1LE at Sebring. Stay mad

You mean "wiped" as in wiped their noses?

As others have said the base cayman and M2 are two very different cars. If you are cross shopping these two 2 seats vs 4 seats, daily or weekend toy are much bigger factors to consider than outright performance figures.

Cross shopped m2 and my current toy back in 2021. Have driven LT1 1le, base cayman, 781 gt4 all on the track at 80% effort. Got to ride in a friend's brand new GT4 rs weissac(sp) on the track.
Lots of very fun track toys out there. .02

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by VT Skier

A lot of people hate the Porsche 4-cyl because it isn't a 6-cyl. I think it's an amazing engine that was immediately dumped on. Just like people are dumping on the G87 because it isn't as light as M cars were 20 years ago.

I didn't love the 4-cyl enough to buy it, but given the way most people feel about it, if I were you I would strongly consider it. I could be perfectly happy with one.

Maybe even consider a used or CPO Cayman S/GTS with the 2.5 engine. Because of the hatred, these cars are under-appreciated and under-valued. Like the 928, which was a great car.

All IMHO and YMMV, of course.

This is very solid advice.

I took a few test drives in a 2.5L CGTS that was for sale locally right before the pandemic started. It was a very engaging car, and felt a bit "tighter" all around, compared to my 981 CS. The electric steering had clearly been improved, and the suspension was more compliant and confidence-inspiring at the same time.

I didn't end up buying it, but the F80 I had at the time wasn't cutting it, in terms of overall excitement and feel. It's hard to have one car that does it all, so to speak - I think the M cars try very hard to be good at a lot of things (as opposed to being great at a few), and that they're typically good all-arounders. That may or may not be satisfying, depending on your personal use of the car you end up buying.

Depending on your budget, maybe you look at something cheaper and more practical for DD or grocery runs, and save up for the "keeper" - that was a strategy that worked well for me...other than the similar prices, a base Cayman and M2 are very different animals, so it's tough to really compare.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

OP: Hammer v. Scalpel. Very different vibes. Drive both and you'll have no trouble making the decision.

+1

This is why the now-dead Cayman T was perfect. You would buy it as-standard (since it comes with some nice stuff unlike the true base) with almost no other options for ~$70k and enjoy.

If you want a flat 6, and I wouldn't blame you (I made the same call), I'd take the 981 GTS over the 718 equivalent. Sells for M2 money. Flash the 991 GT3 steering program into the 981 GTS and you a have a more visceral, much better sounding, and moderately slower (but still very quick) car for a rather ridiculous $35-40k discount.

The 981 GTS is definitely a great option - no doubt about it. I really enjoyed mine, and it's such an awesome sounding car that you don't really care about it being considered "slower" by today's standards.

The 718 cabin had a small facelift, and added some useful updates like CarPlay. But it's a very analog experience, even compared to the F87, much less the large, immersive screens in the G87.

[blackout23]

Originally Posted by Carefree

You’re bored? How about the rest of us reading your blather?

Ignore. Respond. Ban me. These are choices available to you.

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

2018 was 5 years ago bud. You might want to improve your math skills.

K. You didn't say anything about 2018, and I don't care if you're in your 50s. You still act like a child for engaging with me.

Originally Posted by msport-mark

I sell new and preowned Porsche and the only new 718 I have seen recently was a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and a GT4 RS. In fact, we are sold out of 718's and the only one that Porsche will continue to build for at least the short term is the GT4 RS and we have received one allocation so far. I wanted to order a 718 as well but since I can't get one from my dealership and after reading and watching YouTube videos on the M2 I decided to call a friend at the local BMW dealership to see if they had one coming in that was available. He said it's the only one he will have for a year or so I asked him to put my name on it. It should be here in a week or so. I'm actually excited about getting this new M2! To me this new 2023 makes the previous generation look dated.

Almost everything about this is wrong. Are you sure you "sell new and preowned Porsches"? Go double check your facts.

Originally Posted by Mike_H_

You neither know which battles are worth fighting nor how to fight them to win.

Instead, you internalize minor issues, take them personally, then spew endless insults instead of offering valid arguments.

When EVERYONE ELSE is the enemy, then YOU are the problem, you clearly don't get that, so I'll make it clear, it's a YOU issue.

Seems like worrying about people ragging on 4-cylinder cars that you yourself declined to purchase is the least of your issues.

Lol. Psychoanalysis from a few bored forum posts, has to be accurate.

Look at my join date. This isn't my first rodeo, my friend. I came back here because I was semi-interested in an M2, I've since changed my mind. I can't honestly say it's not because the people on this board reminded me that BMWs attract a certain... personality type. And that reminded me of why I don't have a BMW anymore.

I chose to engage for the same reason I play tug with my dog. And there was nothing better to do at the time. Read into it however you want.

Carry on. See you in another 10 years.

[Mike_H_]

Originally Posted by blackout23

Lol. Psychoanalysis from a few bored forum posts, has to be accurate.

Carry on. See you in another 10 years.

If you meet 10 people today and think 1 of them is an icehole, then you met an icehole today.

If you meet 10 people today and think all 10 of them are iceholes, then you're the icehole.

[Carefree]

“Ignore. Respond. Ban me. These are choices available” says Blackout23

Actually, I make it a point never to engage in a battle of wits and/or intellect with an unarmed opponent. Carry on lightweight.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I’m currently cross shopping between the M2 and 718 GTS. Why? Because I don’t specifically have a use case and those two intrigue me the most ��.

Once you get to a certain point, especially these emotional purchases, you don’t need to confine to a particular segment

I’m looking 718, c8, Emira and just added the m2. Use case all over the map. At 63, built to 66, the M2 is winning for this cheap guy.

[JCZ5]

ourlee all great choices! The M2 certainly has the “value” factor all locked in compared to the rest (for manual).

Tough but fun spot to be in. I’m looking forward to when more Emira’s are delivered. From a daily drivability perspective, the M is just so good.

[Xspeedracer]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

718 4.0 GTS or above is the only one worth getting over the M2. I wouldn't bother with anything less than a flat six engine (i.e proven design).

Don’t forget Porsches started out with a boxer 4 long before the six. I had a 1968 912 I really regret selling back in 2008

[mzimand]

I had a 2018 Cayman GTS and traded it in on a 2020 GT4. The 4 cylinder Cayman was amazing. The power was more then enough and I really enjoyed the GTS. The GT4 is next level and my daily is a G42 m240i. I have an ZB M2 with a July delivery that will replace the m240i as my daily.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Xspeedracer

Don’t forget Porsches started out with a boxer 4 long before the six. I had a 1968 912 I really regret selling back in 2008

The 2.5 F4 is a great engine - the sound characteristics are different than the flat 6, but they're interesting for sure. The oomph is there too, especially on the lower end.

[Xspeedracer]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

The 2.5 F4 is a great engine - the sound characteristics are different than the flat 6, but they're interesting for sure. The oomph is there too, especially on the lower end.

It’s not so much the engine as it is the the car itself was my dads and I should have just kept it still kicking myself for that I let it go for $4k and it’s worth a lot more that now just in sentimental value

[AndrejMi]

I went with a M2! My build has been submitted! 3rd in line.

[c1pher]

Interesting.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by blackout23

Carry on. See you in another 10 years.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[mzimand]

I have owned a 2018 Cayman GTS PDK and just sold my 2020 GT4 manual (I put 11K miles on it)
I also currently own a 997.2 Carrera with KW V3's
My daily is a G42 xdrive and have a G87 on order (July delivery).

The 4 cylinder in the CGTS is amazing. I put 28k miles on it and loved every mile. I tracked this car and most of the miles were done on back roads. I believe this car will end up be a classic.

I like the CGTS so much that I almost bought one instead of the G87. I will own another CGTS in the future

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by mzimand

I have owned a 2018 Cayman GTS PDK and just sold my 2020 GT4 manual (I put 11K miles on it)
I also currently own a 997.2 Carrera with KW V3's
My daily is a G42 xdrive and have a G87 on order (July delivery).

The 4 cylinder in the CGTS is amazing. I put 28k miles on it and loved every mile. I tracked this car and most of the miles were done on back roads. I believe this car will end up be a classic.

I like the CGTS so much that I almost bought one instead of the G87. I will own another CGTS in the future

I agree with this comment.

I am a fan of the Cayman but their prices are going up which makes it tougher to justify the purchase. I have always been intrigued by the Cayman GTS (non 4.0) because the prices of those have come down quite a bit due to the engine.

Everything I have heard though is that it is a pretty solid engine that pumps out some pretty good power and then considering how light the Cayman is, makes it even more appealing. I do not think there is a wrong answer here.