[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by zero21

Yeah I watched that episode and that is exactly what they said. Interesting how they changed their opinions and just called it a fat pig when it absolutely doesn't feel that way.

I think what is becoming increasing apparent is that Throttle House really has lost all credibility.

The #TH4GC essentially proved that they aren't knowledgeable on the basics. Heck , even I could have told them to "just frickn downshift!"

The inconsistency from review to review only reinforces the point.

There are more credible sources that we should be focusing on.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

I think what is becoming increasing apparent is that Throttle House really has lost all credibility.

The #TH4GC essentially proved that they aren't knowledgeable on the basics. Heck , even I could have told them to "just frickn downshift!"

The inconsistency from review to review only reinforces the point.

There are more credible sources that we should be focusing on.

I was actually thinking that maybe they should include the #th4gc in every review of a manual, but also do some sort of test to compare high end power also, like a 3rd gear at 30mph rolling (just throwing something out there) and see at what rpm they no longer feel a pull. The s55 would definitely stop pulling significant before the s58.
Now doing both would show the difference in a power band and would actually be decent journalism.

[F87LUV]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

I think the front of the g87 literally looks like it got Botox from the f87. It just looks so big and swollen. Maybe that makes it look muscular but maybe it makes it just odd. Of course I’ll Cavot this with I was a f87 owner and I kick myself for not buying the CS when I had a chance.

Do you even know what Botox does? LOL. It most definitely does not make anything look big or swollen.


Idk why everyone assumes F87 owners are butthurt about a new M2 and so, our opinions are less valid than yours. I’ve had my M2 for seven years now. I’m still in love with it and will keep it forever. I think the issue, for me at least, is hoping the new version would trump the outgoing model. I love black so I would’ve ordered black anyway but in this case, most definitely to hide all the weird lines. I could’ve looked beyond that if it still had halo style headlights. A normal shaped front grill and didn’t remind me of a Subaru from the rear. Not to mention, the giant screens and lack of buttons. I could probably work remotely from inside that car. All of these things were a deal breaker for me. Who knows, if something happens to my M2, perhaps I could look past all of that but it’s not likely but hey, I’m just a grumpy F87 owner.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's interesting every time I read comments like this. I like the OG 1M, but when it debuted it was anything but loved. Now it has soul. Oh how the tides turned.

+1 how long before 'soul' develops in the 'enthusiast' world for a car. Im a car guy/person. I drive what I like. No car Ive ever owned had soul. Some I miss more than others and all for differing reasons. None involved a soul or any other ethereal quality lol.

Go see, sit in it, test and buy or not buy. Life is short. The over thinking on this forum alone is exhausting lol.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by Tag

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Tag - the world is even turning LOL!

[c1pher]

I finally got to see one in person yesterday. Those fender flares and boxy, angular looks immediately reminded me of 80s cars, especially the Audi Quattro and Porsche 944. Those are the cars in addition to the 911 Turbo and Lamborghini Countach I had posters of in my bedroom as a kid. So definitely not a bad thing as far as I’m concerned. It’s a little bigger than the 135is I owned but interior wise was a bit nicer and more modern. The big screen is pretty nice and well thought out vs a lot of companies that just put a flat slab in the middle of the car for infotainment.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by F87LUV

Do you even know what Botox does? LOL. It most definitely does not make anything look big or swollen.

lol...Maybe Terry Dubrow and Paul Nassif can work on the LCI...

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

I think what is becoming increasing apparent is that Throttle House really has lost all credibility.

The #TH4GC essentially proved that they aren't knowledgeable on the basics. Heck , even I could have told them to "just frickn downshift!"

The inconsistency from review to review only reinforces the point.

There are more credible sources that we should be focusing on.

Sometimes biases, while not intentional, can show just because it’s something you don’t like. I think they were offended that they were given some sort of direction by BMW due to a previously somewhat unflattering review and that just hurt their feelings. At the same time they know if manufacturers won’t give them cars to review, if there are repeated complaints or word gets around, they need to find another job.

This is a great illustration of why you take car reviewers’ inputs with a grain of salt. These are thirsty people. Thirsty to drive the next new thing, thirsty to get their views or clicks and thirsty to sound like they are an authority. And it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Doug Munro barely knows what a hood and trunk is but over time has garnered millions of viewers and now is considered some sort of car guru. More power to them if they can accomplish that. Very few reviewers are actual race car drivers, they are journalists. They write your stories.

No offense to them. I do watch their videos, but at the same time don’t use them to make my final decision about anything and you shouldn’t either.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by c1pher

No offense to them. I do watch their videos, but at the same time don’t use them to make my final decision about anything and you shouldn’t either.

This.

I actually find their tomfoolery far more interesting...

[M3JetPilot]

The reality is BMW is playing us, getting a lot of free press, and still selling the cars regardless of design. That’s the really sad part. BMW could come out with any design no matter how radical and this same conversation would play out. It makes any hallmarks of past BMW design irrelevant. Some will hate it, some will love it, and some will be attracted to see what all the fuss is about. At the end of the day BMW could make a complete turd of a car (XM in my opinion) and it would still sell. From the ceo himself: “If you want to change design, any step into the future that is perceived as new will be controversial automatically. That’s the trick: to have controversy and the outcome is ‘I want to have it’ and ‘I like it’, and of course it’s a plan.”
Controversial BMW Design Is Punking You, And Won’t Stop, CEO Says.

[Silverlining_m2]

Can't decide if this thread is full of f87 owners coping and hating, or g87 owners coping and defending their choices but what a wild trip it's been to read it all lol. I've had an f82, f87, and now a g87. When I totalled my f87, I had the choice between a 2020 m2cs, or the first g87 to arrive here. I easily chose a zb/manual g87 instead of a limited run collectors car with 9500 miles on it. It's at okemos bmw by Lansing mi, if anyone wants to grab it.

I like to drive all over michigan. So on that note, the g87 is superior to both my previous m's in that regard. 200lbs heavier or not. I am not tracking it. It is like m2c as a touring car. That suits my needs. Certainly more cockpit room. My legs are no longer squeezed left by the center console.
I had already grown to like the look of the new m2, and the only nervousness I had was the negativity that it receives on the forums. Would I recieve it in public?

Listen to me. People are taking pictures of this car. Posing with my car. Walking around it and ooing and ahhhing. I look back at it every time, just like the other bmw's I've had. Every reaction is positive. Pulling up next to me to talk about it. I know it's new. And a new color. But honestly, after driving my f82, and the presence it had, the f87 was INVISIBLE. Admit it or not. The only people who recognized it's beauty are car people. Specifically bmw people. And mine was a beauty too.

So I say cheers to all adults who don't fear change and embrace new things, and cheers to those who find comfort in the familiar. Here's my zb m2 at sunrise...

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

The reality is BMW is playing us, getting a lot of free press, and still selling the cars regardless of design. That’s the really sad part. BMW could come out with any design no matter how radical and this same conversation would play out. It makes any hallmarks of past BMW design irrelevant. Some will hate it, some will love it, and some will be attracted to see what all the fuss is about. At the end of the day BMW could make a complete turd of a car (XM in my opinion) and it would still sell. From the ceo himself: “If you want to change design, any step into the future that is perceived as new will be controversial automatically. That’s the trick: to have controversy and the outcome is ‘I want to have it’ and ‘I like it’, and of course it’s a plan.”
Controversial BMW Design Is Punking You, And Won’t Stop, CEO Says.

The XM isn’t selling. They are sitting on lots and discounts are already available

[babym_gen]

Originally Posted by F82///M4

The XM isn’t selling. They are sitting on lots and discounts are already available

I am not surprised. That car is only bearable in all black. Barely. Imagine how ugly you have to be for a V12 + pure M model not to be able to make you desirable.

[FrozenGT]

I think G87 M2 is the best starting point for any M car. It’s amazing for modding. Can’t wait to see the Comp and CS. On top of Bmw has given you an entire catalog of a performance parts on top of all the aftermarket community. This car is going to be amazing over the next three years.

[G80S58]

Imagine needing other peoples opinion to decide on if you should buy the car or not. It's your money and you will be driving it, if you like it buy it and enjoy it. Its not life or death. For the F87 folks hating on the G87, great! enjoy your old tech car, older engine, boring interior. But to bash it and say its the ugliest car they have ever seen? come on now... thats child speak and thats where the line is drawn.

[Ska8139]

Originally Posted by fiveightandten

If 15 paragraphs are needed to convince people the car isn’t ugly, I’ve got bad news; the car is ugly.

IMO, it’s the bumpers committing the worst crimes here. And the 3,800 lb weight is ridiculous; heavier than a 5 series used to be. Though I do suppose BMW deserves a pat on the back for offering this in RWD/6MT format.

God help us when the M2 is only offered with an auto and xDrive. You’ll have a 4,000 lb 2’er on your hands.

I think we can all agree that looks are subjective. I, too, find this underwhelming from an aesthetic standpoint despite its positives (better seats, nicer interior materials, etc).

Regarding the future 4,000 lb xDrive model: be prepared to be inundated with innumerable comments quoting its 0-60 mph time, its quarter mile time or my personal favorite, it's nurburgring time as a sort of excuse for how it looks or how much it weighs. This seems to be a trend that's really picked up some steam with the G80/82. As if how fast something goes justifies all the other faults.

[FrozenGT]

Originally Posted by G80S58

Imagine needing other peoples opinion to decide on if you should buy the car or not. It's your money and you will be driving it, if you like it buy it and enjoy it. Its not life or death. For the F87 folks hating on the G87, great! enjoy your old tech car, older engine, boring interior. But to bash it and say its the ugliest car they have ever seen? come on now... thats child speak and thats where the line is drawn.

Be careful now all. BMWs dating back to the E30 are still worth their weight in gold and more so then the new counterparts..

[JK479]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

I think what is becoming increasing apparent is that Throttle House really has lost all credibility.

The #TH4GC essentially proved that they aren't knowledgeable on the basics. Heck , even I could have told them to "just frickn downshift!"

The inconsistency from review to review only reinforces the point.

There are more credible sources that we should be focusing on.

True about the reliabile source… but it’s entertainment and they provide that. It’s an opinion.

Plus- one of the guys owns the previous gen. So I would assume his opinion is important to the sales success of the next m2.

A fat pig is the I7 or 740i XDrive. So I think calling this m2 a fat pig is very dramatic. Mostly unfounded.

[Game]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

Related to the M2, indeed this gentleman is qualified to talk about the design

This was posted to death for the past 2 years.

Design cues change. Not to mention other than the side profile, these 2 cars are not very similar.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by F82///M4

I caved like you did and have a fugly G80cx sitting in Bremerhaven right now (should be an ED). I’ve been hating on the G8xs for years but the wife wants me to grab a 4 door AWD sedan. It will be easier for family duty, ski trips and all around winter driving. Still don’t love the front but plan an aftermarket solution. How are you liking the car? I’m getting rid of a pristine 2020 M4 comp with 38k on it. It’s a tough pill to swallow.

On the whole, I like it a lot. I just got back from taking it up to the mountains and the practicality of it for that purpose is great. It has nowhere near the soul the M2C 6MT did, but it's still fun. If a 911 is precise-like-a-scalpel and the M2 is an amazing-if-you-get-it-right tomahawk, the G80 is like a cruise missile. It's fun, but it's very digital. The worst part is the giant screen dash and lack of climate buttons. I am getting used to that, but it's still not ideal.

Also, I find the laser lights terribly disappointing. What they've done is moved the cutoff beam lower, probably to accompany the anti-dazzle feature available elsewhere. When you hit the main beams (and when you dip them back) you can see the dipped beam cutoff line rising and dropping. In the old icon LED lights, this G80 raised level was the normal cutoff. So, on open highways at night, with dipped beams on, the distance is terrible. Because we don't get anti-dazzle, I'd say they are a downgrade from the icon LEDs my M2C had. I don't think this is a G80 specific problem though, and probably runs across all models with laser lights and no anti-dazzle.

[AndreM2]

Originally Posted by G80S58

Imagine needing other peoples opinion to decide on if you should buy the car or not. It's your money and you will be driving it, if you like it buy it and enjoy it. Its not life or death. For the F87 folks hating on the G87, great! enjoy your old tech car, older engine, boring interior. But to bash it and say its the ugliest car they have ever seen? come on now... thats child speak and thats where the line is drawn.

Why do you think bmw makes no effort to make the car lighter?

As long as they sell them like hot cakes there is not one engineer on the BMW factory asked to make the new M2 lighter. The guy from marketing says. Put in more horsepower Hans and put some wider tires on it this is the cheapest way to make it faster then its predecessor. We will sell them all Hans!

I Have followed the making of the Toyota Yaris GR from the beginning to the end. Talk about effort making that car. Unbelievable build from the ground up! Yes it is just a toyota. But all i wanted to point out is how much effort this car factory has put in to make something special.

Why do you think the E30 M3, M3 CSL and the 1M Coupe are such nice drivers cars. Because the effort they have put in. The E30 M3 is a race car for the street made to compete. 1M has been made because BMW personal has made a concept of this in their own time. Yes then something special comes out. Enthusiasts with no marketing department behind them.

Cars where the effort has put in are the pearls to have!

Cars which are made heavier, more easy turbo hp, bigger heavier tires and wheels, bigger heavier brakes to stop the weight is reversed engineering. There has not gone much effort in it.

Yes you still can enjoy these cars but as long as the masses keeps on buying these cars the next one is even bigger and heavier. Nothing will change.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

On the whole, I like it a lot. I just got back from taking it up to the mountains and the practicality of it for that purpose is great. It has nowhere near the soul the M2C 6MT did, but it's still fun. If a 911 is precise-like-a-scalpel and the M2 is an amazing-if-you-get-it-right tomahawk, the G80 is like a cruise missile. It's fun, but it's very digital. The worst part is the giant screen dash and lack of climate buttons. I am getting used to that, but it's still not ideal.

Also, I find the laser lights terribly disappointing. What they've done is moved the cutoff beam lower, probably to accompany the anti-dazzle feature available elsewhere. When you hit the main beams (and when you dip them back) you can see the dipped beam cutoff line rising and dropping. In the old icon LED lights, this G80 raised level was the normal cutoff. So, on open highways at night, with dipped beams on, the distance is terrible. Because we don't get anti-dazzle, I'd say they are a downgrade from the icon LEDs my M2C had. I don't think this is a G80 specific problem though, and probably runs across all models with laser lights and no anti-dazzle.

Gotcha. I kinda figured this was going to be the case with the G80. Cruise missile sounds about right from my test drive. I will have iDrive 8 also with the giant screen. It’s ok just wish they had integrated it better into the dash. Tacked on afterthought. I speced the laser lights also. Dissapointing. This will be my first sedan in 15 years. Kids and family eventually win out. Ha. I just couldn’t do an SUV/X3M so G80 it is.

Ok. Back on topic. The new G87 sucks blah blah blah…….Haha