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Correct Trofeo R is a "street/comp" tire. It was just an example of what a simple tire change can do. In this case a $450 option from Audi for the RS3.
RS3 standard PZ4 tires actually have a softer compound than the PSS an PS4S. They are a great tire actually.(all considered "max perf summer" tires) M2 comp didn't come with PS4S, the F87Comp OE tire was Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Which rides below the newer PS4S. The Cup 2's, considered an "extreme perf summer" tire...are substantially better than the old Pilot Super Sports. Last edited by M3WC; 05-26-2023 at 07:12 PM.. |
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Some people take this way too seriously. It’s almost like you’re talking about their spouse or mom or something when you criticize a car they bought. That or start quoting 0-60mph times or lap times as justification for it being better, as if that’s why most normal folks huh their cars instead of being fun. Not everyone is going to love the car you bought. Learn to cope. It’s okay.
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No they didn’t weigh it. Not only did they not account for the weight savings for having a carbon fiber roof and buckets, they literally quoted the EU curb weight of the M2, not the DIN curb weight like they did with the RS3 so that’s another extra 165lbs. Fuccin clown show
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Comparing a RWD car to an AWD car always seems silly to me...
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Comparing a RWD car to a AWD car is just plain silly. And that RS3 front grill looks horrible IMO. Can't wait to see what the G87 M2 Comp & CS version does to this Audi in the near future.
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I see that the F87CS was a bit quicker, but also just a few hundredths of their time for the latest M5 CS - clearly that M2CS was having a good day. -Nick |
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Re the Cup 2, if you live in a warmer climate it’s great. Not that bad in the rain either. I think the only struggle is very cold temps and rain. Very rare down here but I did once drive it in 8°C (46F - our definition of freezing) and rain. That was a bit slippery but just don’t be an idiot and you are ok. Finally. Great video as always from Throttle House. Love their work. |
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The Cup 2 240 (240 TW) Star Spec is only an Extreme Performance category of tyre, this is an RE71RS competitor. I think this is the optional tyre in some markets for the G87. For the Track/R category of tyre, the Cup 2 R Track Connect (140 TW) has Star Spec rated tyres, too - this is the Trofeo R competitor. This may be the G87 optional tyre in some markets. The Cup 2 (180 TW) doesn’t seem to have Star Spec sizes for the G87. |
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There are endless, endless official and semi-official sources that put the weight at approx. 3850 lb at most. Less with carbon bits and manual transmission. Also there are people in this forum who have weighed their cars. In no universe is this car over 3900 lb. |
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1:11.19 vs 1:13.53...I'm sure DCT and Cup2s on the F87C would have narrowed the margin somewhat, the question is by how much?
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Really depends on the track. I think if there are longer straights, then perhaps it would be closer. With twists and turns, the need to be in the right torque band out of a corner will help the auto out. And obviously the shorter the track, the less time the auto has to increase its lead.
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I echo the “feels like a videogame” sentiment. I mean it as a compliment. The ZF8 car in Sport Plus engine and chassis config and transmission shifts on 3 (max) feels like an incredibly fun 6DOF full motion racing simulator. The brawny acceleration, strong braking, precise steering, super-obedient handling (that *will* step out on you if you boot it), visceral shifts, and just-right exhaust sound and tone all together make this a very entertaining car to hustle around like a toy. The excellent HUD and digital instrumentation cap it all off. As someone who grew up on endless hours of Gran Turismo with force feedback Logitech steering wheels, it’s awesome. It all feels safe and comfortable and predictable. And at $70k, it’s actually cheaper than a legit full-motion sim rig. It’s the combo of excellent acceleration, braking, handling, technology, sound, comfort, bodywork, and quality at this price that works for me. This kind of experience can be had elsewhere but with some blend of greater price, more compromises, or less capability. I think BMW M handed enthusiasts a gem with this base G87 (imagine the Comp, CS, or CSL). |
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