[Wardman]

Hello All,

I searched, and trying to see what the comparison would be to move? Yes, I own the X5d, some older tech (F15 that I have replaced wheels, springs, added carplay, new cluster, upgraded to BAVAudio)... 30mpg, diesel...

Anyone move to the X5 50e? Tech will be new, ride should be better, and MPG and fun factor a consideration.

FYI - BMW offered me 15K for my trade. Thanks in advance!

[smyles]

I moved from 3.5d to M50i. Why? YOLO.

e is slow in pure electric, and then you just /almost pointlessly/ carry few hundred pounds of extra weight. So you deprive yourself of fun (hence M50i), and don't get much savings (cough Tesla and other EVs). The only true reason (and value) of getting e is a cheap lease due to incentives - dunno if it's the case nowadays.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by smyles

I moved from 3.5d to M50i. Why? YOLO.

e is slow in pure electric, and then you just /almost pointlessly/ carry few hundred pounds of extra weight. So you deprive yourself of fun (hence M50i), and don't get much savings (cough Tesla and other EVs). The only true reason (and value) of getting e is a cheap lease due to incentives - dunno if it's the case nowadays.

The 50e is just as quick as the M50i.

[rexus300]

I switched from 2015 X5d to 50e and I'm very happy with the decision! Smooth powerful hybrid and sports mode with amazing combined mpg up to 40 plus mpg hybrid and about 900 miles on the same tank of gas with charging every night given my 95 miles daily commute on the highway. The 50e has a great ride and handling feel that is a step up over the f15 X5 and the tech is flawless. The highway driving assistance is also very good. You won't regret it.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

The 50e is just as quick as the M50i.

He said in pure electric mode. So take the B58 out of the equation, it shouldn't be expected to be very quick. The electric mode is for around town putting around.

IMO, it boils down to what type of driving you do. Diesels are more efficient under load (like towing) and at highway cruising. The 50e benefit is from electric only use around town.

I would love a nicely equipped diesel X5 that I felt like I could trust. I'd love an equivalent X7 even more, lol.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

He said in pure electric mode. So take the B58 out of the equation, it shouldn't be expected to be very quick. The electric mode is for around town putting around..

That is not what I was referring to. I was addressing " and then you just /almost pointlessly/ carry few hundred pounds of extra weight. So you deprive yourself of fun (hence M50i)"

[Wardman]

Thanks All! I've had hybrid before, but do you all mostly charge the 50e everynight? Considering I have had the dreaded DEF/EGR replacement for $3K also, the engine is probably good (90K miles). But the itch is there...

[jayfeinst]

Originally Posted by smyles

I moved from 3.5d to M50i. Why? YOLO.

e is slow in pure electric, and then you just /almost pointlessly/ carry few hundred pounds of extra weight. So you deprive yourself of fun (hence M50i), and don't get much savings (cough Tesla and other EVs). The only true reason (and value) of getting e is a cheap lease due to incentives - dunno if it's the case nowadays.

Haters gonna hate. While I haven't owned the 50e, I did own an X3 PHEV and I'll say the added weight wasn't noticeable, the extra horsepower was awesome and, for day-to-day commuting in rush hour, silent and fast enough. I also prefer charging overnight in my garage vs. getting panhandled at the local Shell but.....YOLO.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Wardman

Thanks All! I've had hybrid before, but do you all mostly charge the 50e everynight? Considering I have had the dreaded DEF/EGR replacement for $3K also, the engine is probably good (90K miles). But the itch is there...

If I was coming out of an abusive relationship with an expensive to repair BMW, a 50e would not be what I'd pick to try to rebound with.

[Wardman]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

If I was coming out of an abusive relationship with an expensive to repair BMW, a 50e would not be what I'd pick to try to rebound with.

9 years and 90K miles, It felt more like standard wear and tear to do the ERG. Otherwise it has been hassle free.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Wardman

9 years and 90K miles, It felt more like standard wear and tear to do the ERG. Otherwise it has been hassle free.

That's a good perspective to have. I feel like EGRs should never fail, but I also don't have much hands on with modern diesels and ll the crap they put on them


Personally, I'd delete that bad boy and enjoy another 200k of trouble free miles.

[Wardman]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

That's a good perspective to have. I feel like EGRs should never fail, but I also don't have much hands on with modern diesels and ll the crap they put on them


Personally, I'd delete that bad boy and enjoy another 200k of trouble free miles.

That's not a bad idea and I just have to get in that cirlce here, or it could be a beater too (nice X5 beater :-)). For clarity it was the DPF that needed replacement since it clogged. A delete should keep that from happening, but sounds like my lack of driving it was a contributing factor. We tried cleaning and all that, but couldn't. It was caked solid.

[LDT]

In a perfect world it's a good trade. Please educate yourself with the current 50e issues if you havent already. Start here https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2025929

[13 NF]

I have moved from G05 50d to 50e
Firstly loved my 50d and would have had another but that’s not possible.
But my 50e!
So done 10k miles in it, had annoying software issues that have settled down, LCI brings its own challenges with cheapened bits
Comfort access isn’t perfect
I drive 8.5 needs getting used too but evenly makes sense
Good stuff
Ride quality even on 22s is great due air suspension
Performance is very good
Weight takes time to accept but becomes less of an issue as you put the miles on
Mpg is very good 44mpg ( uk) since factory
But I do charge mine every night
Electric only I never use unless in cities, just drive in hybrid it gets used to your style and it ends up feeling great.
Range is great see pic( now uk had warmed up)
So with confidence I go with it.
RIP the 50d😞

[apw2607]

I moved from a e70 35d to a f15 35i to the g05 50e.

I owned the e70 35d from new and I finally let it go at something like 180,000 miles. The DPF was on its last legs and I can’t tell you how many sensors, rebuilds and parts were thrown at bmws clean diesel system. Then vw dieselgate came along and the rest is history. I would never touch a “clean diesel” again.

As far as the 50e, I love it. I’ve had no issues with the check engine light or drive train. I’ve done over 7500 miles now. 5500 of those miles has being all electric. That’s a pretty good fuel price saving, but I love it because I don’t have to goto gas stations much anymore. Thats worth the price of admission for me.

The electric drive train helps way more than just around town - which ofcourse it helps with. But it aids the petrol engine under load - so the car has, what seems, endless torque. Similar to the diesel engine in that regard.

I’ve owned BMW M products (M3, M4, M5) but this is my favorite car so far.

Test drive and see for yourself.

[carfan36]

Originally Posted by 13 NF

I have moved from G05 50d to 50e
Firstly loved my 50d and would have had another but that’s not possible.
But my 50e!
So done 10k miles in it, had annoying software issues that have settled down, LCI brings its own challenges with cheapened bits
Comfort access isn’t perfect
I drive 8.5 needs getting used too but evenly makes sense
Good stuff
Ride quality even on 22s is great due air suspension
Performance is very good
Weight takes time to accept but becomes less of an issue as you put the miles on
Mpg is very good 44mpg ( uk) since factory
But I do charge mine every night
Electric only I never use unless in cities, just drive in hybrid it gets used to your style and it ends up feeling great.
Range is great see pic( now uk had warmed up)
So with confidence I go with it.
RIP the 50d😞

Wow, awesome to see the range you are getting! In US the range is much lower. The best I have gotten so far is 47 miles. Hoping to touch 50 as summer sets in here!!

[apw2607]

Originally Posted by carfan36

Wow, awesome to see the range you are getting! In US the range is much lower. The best I have gotten so far is 47 miles. Hoping to touch 50 as summer sets in here!!

Well here you go. I’m in the USA and it’s not even summer time warm where I am … but I don’t drive it like I stole it either. I get a kick out of driving the most economically I can. It’s like a video game.

[carfan36]

Originally Posted by apw2607

Well here you go. I’m in the USA and it’s not even summer time warm where I am … but I don’t drive it like I stole it either. I get a kick out of driving the most economically I can. It’s like a video game.

So there is hope 😀

[Crusje]

Anyone who can't notice 800 extra pounds while driving is trolling or haven't driven both versions. I noticed whenever my Corolla had 5 people in it back in the day. I have 45e and the body roll is noticeably worse than the 2x I rented a 40in for a week during vacation. I have to slow down to substantially lto turn otherwise the passengers get thrown around. It gets sub 2 mi/kwh so it doesn't really save you much if your electricity cost is high. It's absolutely not sporty. The steering is pretty numb. It's almost 2k pounds more than my giulia and 2300 more than my 911. It is not fun to drive at all. That said, I bought it as a family hauler and it works well for that. Preconditioning is nice for the children in summer so they don't bake waiting for AC. I can idle with the HVAC on without idling the engine. The transition from electric to the engine is pretty smooth as well. It's the best phev I test drove so I bought it. Didn't try the cayenne though. It's a good car depending on your expectations.

[carfan36]

And lo and behold! It did happen! Here you go!

[smyles]

I understand the excitement of not paying for gas as much as before, but if you actually calculate the total savings, it isn't all that much. Yes it's noticeable that you don't frequent the gas stations (back in the day I filled up my Prime every 2.5k miles and it was like $30 of gas), but in totals 20k miles in Tesla saved me less than $2k in gas in a year. Add steeper depreciation, (potentially) higher insurance, and it's almost a wash - again, unless you maximize the incentives, lease, charge for cheap/free, hypermile, etc. etc. At least Tesla is fun to drive, and in terms of convenience it's miles ahead of everyone.

Just like with diesels - torque, 30+ mpg... but when you add everything, it stopped making sense once BMW introduced turbo gazzers.

Before 'haters gonna hate' - we have Wrangler 4xe in our family fleet and love it.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by smyles

I understand the excitement of not paying for gas as much as before, but if you actually calculate the total savings, it isn't all that much. Yes it's noticeable that you don't frequent the gas stations (back in the day I filled up my Prime every 2.5k miles and it was like $30 of gas), but in totals 20k miles in Tesla saved me less than $2k in gas in a year. Add steeper depreciation, (potentially) higher insurance, and it's almost a wash - again, unless you maximize the incentives, lease, charge for cheap/free, hypermile, etc. etc.

Just like with diesels - torque, 30+ mpg... but when you add everything, it stopped making sense once BMW introduced turbo gazzers.

Before 'haters gonna hate' - we have Wrangler 4xe in our family fleet and love it.

We did the math on Tahoe diesel vs Expedition Ecoboost and came away with the same findings before we bought ours. The price delta and more expensive fuel + DEF meant that despite a significant fuel economy boost for the diesel, the break even point was way out there. Making matters worse, that diesel requires an oil pump belt change at 150k miles, you have to drop the trans to do it, and it was a $1500 job 3 years ago. That meant truly there was no break even point, because the break even for fuel was in that same neighborhood of 110-150k miles, but when you added the extra cost of that belt replacement, the ROI wasn't there anymore until you sell it (assuming a higher resale value for the diesel).