[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

This (CarPro Spotless 2.0) sounds like great stuff fellas. Are you saying it has proven to get ride of moderate water spots... ?

100%. Great product. Depending on the product line your detailer uses, they’ll add a round of Spotless to the annual coating “maintenance” top-up that they charge $300 for. Major scam of course, but the product does work .

[two_three_two]

as an update, i've got descale and spotless 2.0 on the way. will probably start with descale and escalate to spotless if no dice. kind regards to Sleeper for pulling me further into the carpro ecosystem

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

as an update, i've got descale and spotless 2.0 on the way. will probably start with descale and escalate to spotless if no dice. kind regards to Sleeper for pulling me further into the carpro ecosystem

You’re welcome (but maybe sorry? ). The detail product world is a vortex, impossible to extract yourself once in it.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

You’re welcome (but maybe sorry? ). The detail product world is a vortex, impossible to extract yourself once in it.

just what i needed, another expensive, time consuming hobby

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

100%. Great product. Depending on the product line your detailer uses, they’ll add a round of Spotless to the annual coating “maintenance” top-up that they charge $300 for. Major scam of course, but the product does work .

My car has been lightly compounded for general paint correction & sealed up with some nice X-pel PPF. But occasionally I try to get one more car wash out of my CR Spotless de-ionized resin tanks. So it's my fault for the moderate water spots & film on the surface of the car. I know better then to push the water through the system once the TDS meters reads it's higher then about 5 PPM. Lesson learned. Just wondering if this CarPro Spotless 2.0 will do the trick.

I use to use a product by the The Last Coat company called Clear SR. But apparently it's not available at the moment. It's a mild acid that sits in an oil based solution & it's very VERY effective. GYEON also make a water spot remover that is suppose to be highly effective.

[two_three_two]

hey folks... finally some time for a fulsome update.

the genesis of this all was that i fired my monthly hand wash subscription for a general dissatisfaction with the finished product and me dealing with some of the clean up. wanted to try to DIY this before passing the buck (and buck$) to my detailer.

here is what i started at (on the trunk lid). really baked on water spots, probably courtesy of no covered parking at my work:



so let's begin. i started with a thorough power wash, then applied carpro descale at the specified 10:1 ratio for my foam cannon (chemical guys torx if that matters):



the foam is hilariously thick and sticks quite well. i kept the car wet and reapplied more descale as it rolled off until i used the whole bottle of mixture (1 liter and approx. 5 mins of dwell time). good news was the ceramic coating certainly kept its hydrophobic properties:



bad news was that the baked on water spots looked largely untouched, and i could tell before i even dried off:



however i finished off with a two bucket method wash with carpro reset. more good news is that from 5 feet the car looks immaculate. the descale definitely did its job with less stuck on/baked on imperfections:



buuuuut the water spots were barely touched.



i let the car dry completely and came back after about an hour to try some spotless 2.0. and the good news is- this definitely works. i let dwell for 35 seconds after a light spread with a clean microfiber, and then i applied a moist microfiber and some running water and:



you can very clearly see where the spotless was applied. i followed directions on a few other high visibility spots as my time to do this was running out, with good results. i then did a final wash of the panels affected with reset and dried again. final product:



couples notes: the spotless did in fact have an adverse effect on the hydrophobic properties of the ceramic at 35 seconds of dwell time. the descale did a great job pulling less baked on spots off and i will use this in a few washes again and give some more dwell time.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

hey folks... finally some time for a fulsome update.

couples notes: the spotless did in fact have an adverse effect on the hydrophobic properties of the ceramic at 35 seconds of dwell time. the descale did a great job pulling less baked on spots off and i will use this in a few washes again and give some more dwell time.

Consider yourself lucky the water spot remover worked. I would try to do the entire car sooner than later and get rid of those spots as well as possible. Even polishing has trouble removing deep minerals and they tend to reappear as the paint cools and the clearcoat contracts. The strong acids in the water spot removers may harm your coating slightly with heavy use, but you can always redo it or DIY it if cost is a factor. I'd prefer a failed coating to permanent etching. Descale is actually quite weak so I would not expect it to do much on water spots. The spray is going to be 10x+ more potent.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by chris719

Consider yourself lucky the water spot remover worked. I would try to do the entire car sooner than later and get rid of those spots as well as possible. Even polishing has trouble removing deep minerals and they tend to reappear as the paint cools and the clearcoat contracts. The strong acids in the water spot removers may harm your coating slightly with heavy use, but you can always redo it or DIY it if cost is a factor. I'd prefer a failed coating to permanent etching. Descale is actually quite weak so I would not expect it to do much on water spots. The spray is going to be 10x+ more potent.

yep, thats the plan. ill be doing the whole car with spotless over the holiday week here and not touching the car again until i get my new decalcifier installed for my well. the only real deep trouble spots (hood and trunk lid) have already been handled.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

yep, thats the plan. ill be doing the whole car with spotless over the holiday week here and not touching the car again until i get my new decalcifier installed for my well. the only real deep trouble spots (hood and trunk lid) have already been handled.

I would look into rinseless wash with DIY Detail, Koch Chemie RRW, or ADS Hero rinseless. It's a great option for hard water since if you go panel-by-panel you don't give an opportunity for water spotting to happen. It's also quite safe and I think the results are paradoxically better than soap washes sometimes.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by chris719

I would look into rinseless wash with DIY Detail, Koch Chemie RRW, or ADS Hero rinseless. It's a great option for hard water since if you go panel-by-panel you don't give an opportunity for water spotting to happen. It's also quite safe and I think the results are paradoxically better than soap washes sometimes.

I will look into it. but i am also not going to rest until my home water is 100% locked in for car washing. something no one tells you about well water is that even if it tests clean, there may be a problem for your car...