Manual Transmission Feel

Montaver · Yesterday, 11:46 AM

To me, I just enjoy driving manuals. My last two cars were GT4’s and I enjoy the G87. Go to rennlist and you will see people complaining about the GT4 shift action as well which makes no sense to me. There is much more to it than just the manual shift action, gear ratios, throttle response, clutch weight and feel, engine sound etc. are all equally important when it comes to the drivetrain as it’s how the whole package feels. Sure you can get a Civic type R which has a great shift action but it’s a 2L turbo with FWD.

x622 · Yesterday, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomBro

What exactly seems to be wrong with yours?

It's notchy, hard to go into gear no matter what shifter is on there. Sometimes will pop out of first, and no the rod doesn't adjust any further. Clutch has a strange engagement point that seems like it moves, and yes I've bled and refilled the clutch lines.

It's by far the biggest gripe I have about this car, followed by the stupid rev-limiter that drops to 5k when you're trying to control a slide at 6k+

Dave07997S · Yesterday, 04:40 PM

I learned to love the shifters in BMWs. I had 2 E46 M3s, 2 E92 M3s all bought new. I have to say the shift feel for the G87 feels more connected than those cars did. I also have owned Mustangs as well as a Porsche 911. The 911 and the Mustang even though it was an MT82D4 did feel better than the new shifter with the G87. That being said I like it, it gets the job done.

ednir98 · Yesterday, 05:02 PM

At this point I'm just thankful they still offer a manual. At least this is a conversation of "what parts to upgrade" instead of "how to manual swap a G87".

RandomBro · Yesterday, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by x622

It's notchy, hard to go into gear no matter what shifter is on there. Sometimes will pop out of first, and no the rod doesn't adjust any further. Clutch has a strange engagement point that seems like it moves, and yes I've bled and refilled the clutch lines.

It's by far the biggest gripe I have about this car, followed by the stupid rev-limiter that drops to 5k when you're trying to control a slide at 6k+

Hmmm we have the same kit. I've experienced 0 of the issues the rogue is notchy, but for me in a good way. I appreciate knowing my shifter is in gear properly vs stock. It never pops out at all. I have 100% confidence in it. I can shift hard on any gear over 2nd with no issue. Same with clutch pretty easy to manage with CDV out.

Maybe you do have an odd one... sorry to hear man.

captain slowly · Yesterday, 07:01 PM

I owned a F87 manual for 3 years, had a ITS for a while, and drove a friends G87 manual before ordering my '25 M2 auto. There is no comparison between the shifter and more importantly the gear ratios. The ITS is light years better. The manual in the F87 and G87 feels like an afterthought. Shift action sucked, gear ratios were all off.... I like manuals, but not this one. Get the ZF or stick with your FL5

RandomBro · Yesterday, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by captain slowly

I owned a F87 manual for 3 years, had a ITS for a while, and drove a friends G87 manual before ordering my '25 M2 auto. There is no comparison between the shifter and more importantly the gear ratios. The ITS is light years better. The manual in the F87 and G87 feels like an afterthought. Shift action sucked, gear ratios were all off.... I like manuals, but not this one. Get the ZF or stick with your FL5

Rogue SS kit makes the 6MT in the G87 just as good as the ITS. I had an ITS.

captain slowly · Today, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomBro

Rogue SS kit makes the 6MT in the G87 just as good as the ITS. I had an ITS.

does it also fix the gear ratios? Cause if not, its still shit.

Montaver · Today, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by captain slowly

does it also fix the gear ratios? Cause if not, its still shit.

What is there to fix about the gear ratios?

RandomBro · Today, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by captain slowly

does it also fix the gear ratios? Cause if not, its still shit.

The BMW 6MT ratios have been mostly the same for ages. If you've owned a BMW you'd know this...

Also, what SS changes gear ratios... like what kind of question is that.

Coming from someone that owned both the ITS and G87 at the same time, ratios in the ITS don't make it any better than the G87. The only issue with the G87 is the 6MTs feel....

aerobod · Today, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomBro

The BMW 6MT ratios have been mostly the same for ages. If you've owned a BMW you'd know this...

Also, what SS changes gear ratios... like what kind of question is that.

Coming from someone that owned both the ITS and G87 at the same time, ratios in the ITS don't make it any better than the G87. The only issue with the G87 is the 6MTs feel....

Yes, 3rd gear in the G87 is just as epic for fast road overtaking, that has always been a BMW strength from the E46 onwards that we've owned.

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Montaver Lieutenant Colonel 2563 Rep 1,823 Posts Drives: G87 M2 & M340i LCI Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	To me, I just enjoy driving manuals. My last two cars were GT4’s and I enjoy the G87. Go to rennlist and you will see people complaining about the GT4 shift action as well which makes no sense to me. There is much more to it than just the manual shift action, gear ratios, throttle response, clutch weight and feel, engine sound etc. are all equally important when it comes to the drivetrain as it’s how the whole package feels. Sure you can get a Civic type R which has a great shift action but it’s a 2L turbo with FWD.
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Dave07997S Brigadier General 1067 Rep 4,231 Posts Drives: 2024 BMW M2 Toronto Red 6MT Join Date: May 2009 Location: El Segundo, CA iTrader: (1)	I learned to love the shifters in BMWs. I had 2 E46 M3s, 2 E92 M3s all bought new. I have to say the shift feel for the G87 feels more connected than those cars did. I also have owned Mustangs as well as a Porsche 911. The 911 and the Mustang even though it was an MT82D4 did feel better than the new shifter with the G87. That being said I like it, it gets the job done. __________________ 2024 BMW M2 Toronto Red 6MT 2020 Ford Mustang GT 6MT PP1 444rwhp (Sold)2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk 2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats 2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
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ednir98 Second Lieutenant 512 Rep 226 Posts Drives: i3, F30 328i, F15 X5, F82 M4 Join Date: Jun 2024 Location: San Antonio iTrader: (0)	At this point I'm just thankful they still offer a manual. At least this is a conversation of "what parts to upgrade" instead of "how to manual swap a G87".
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captain slowly I like turtles! 755 Rep 722 Posts Drives: '25 M2 on order, '12 Corvette Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (0)	I owned a F87 manual for 3 years, had a ITS for a while, and drove a friends G87 manual before ordering my '25 M2 auto. There is no comparison between the shifter and more importantly the gear ratios. The ITS is light years better. The manual in the F87 and G87 feels like an afterthought. Shift action sucked, gear ratios were all off.... I like manuals, but not this one. Get the ZF or stick with your FL5
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