[toastedoats]

Originally Posted by Stick435

Are you referring to the 240 or 230?

240

[logjamexcalibur]

Originally Posted by Stick435

I'd like to piggy back off this thread, but have a question about the staggered tires for the 230 and if they are worth it on that car. I'm not a fan of any of the 2025 wheels, so was thinking of just getting the 780's/848M's and then buying stock size 792M's separately unless the staggered is better on the 230.

depends on how you drive I suppose. I’ve only driven my 230 which has the staggered setup, and I like to corner… enthusiastically, so more width for my driven tires is worth it for me. As is the m differential, but YMMV. Maybe if you want more slide-ability, the narrower square setup would be better?

[VegasG42]

Originally Posted by eli371

i haven't seen anyone mention the top speed limiter and sprint mode which would be included - at least here you go from 130mph to 155mph

You just have to select the non-run flat performance tires. That gives you the 155

130 mph is for the run flats

[spursmat]

I’ve got a 23MY M240 in the UK without the M Technology Pack. I have the 893M wheels with P4S tyres and the rears are wider. (255 IIRC)

I have just ordered a 25MY M240 and the packs are obviously different this time round. I’ve specced the same wheels as an option but will they still come with the P4S tyres?

The M Technology Pack on the UK configurator has a requirement of the 893M wheels and it’s only £315 so I assume it’s just the cooling and brakes upgrade.

I’m sure I’ve read that UK/European cars with the additional oil cooler actually have a factory fitted undertray, I.e. it’s not exposed?

The TLDR is having read this thread there seems to be an argument that the upgrade is worth it even if you don’t want to track the car.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by spursmat

I’ve got a 23MY M240 in the UK without the M Technology Pack. I have the 893M wheels with P4S tyres and the rears are wider. (255 IIRC)

I have just ordered a 25MY M240 and the packs are obviously different this time round. I’ve specced the same wheels as an option but will they still come with the P4S tyres?

The M Technology Pack on the UK configurator has a requirement of the 893M wheels and it’s only £315 so I assume it’s just the cooling and brakes upgrade.

I’m sure I’ve read that UK/European cars with the additional oil cooler actually have a factory fitted undertray, I.e. it’s not exposed?

The TLDR is having read this thread there seems to be an argument that the upgrade is worth it even if you don’t want to track the car.

The configurator shows the PS4s come with the 893 wheels.

In the UK, you can have the wheels (an additional ~£900] without the pack but not the pack without the wheels. Note, if you select the wheels, the pack is £315 more (plus taxes) but otherwise it’s about £1500 because you have to have the wheels as well.
We also don’t have an under mounted cooler. Ours is behind the front vents.

[spursmat]

Originally Posted by Pentland

The configurator shows the PS4s come with the 893 wheels.

In the UK, you can have the wheels (an additional ~£900] without the pack but not the pack without the wheels. Note, if you select the wheels, the pack is £315 more (plus taxes) but otherwise it’s about £1500 because you have to have the wheels as well.
We also don’t have an under mounted cooler. Ours is behind the front vents.

Ah, nice to know thanks. The horror stories of that undermounted cooler have put me off in the past!

I can’t say I dislike the brakes on my current car but given the weight I wouldn’t complain if they were a bit more powerful. I know it’s subjective but aside from the cooler issue (which we don’t have) are they any negatives to the “upgrade”?

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by spursmat

Ah, nice to know thanks. The horror stories of that undermounted cooler have put me off in the past!

I can’t say I dislike the brakes on my current car but given the weight I wouldn’t complain if they were a bit more powerful. I know it’s subjective but aside from the cooler issue (which we don’t have) are they any negatives to the “upgrade”?

Bigger brakes aren’t “more powerful” and won’t help with stopping wrt to the car’s weight! Tyres will.
Only negative is that any upgraded or larger components will be more expensive to replace when they wear.

[PosterNutbag]

Originally Posted by spursmat

I’ve got a 23MY M240 in the UK without the M Technology Pack. I have the 893M wheels with P4S tyres and the rears are wider. (255 IIRC)

I have just ordered a 25MY M240 and the packs are obviously different this time round. I’ve specced the same wheels as an option but will they still come with the P4S tyres?

The M Technology Pack on the UK configurator has a requirement of the 893M wheels and it’s only £315 so I assume it’s just the cooling and brakes upgrade.

I’m sure I’ve read that UK/European cars with the additional oil cooler actually have a factory fitted undertray, I.e. it’s not exposed?

The TLDR is having read this thread there seems to be an argument that the upgrade is worth it even if you don’t want to track the car.

Yeah. This has been quite the discussion. I’m opting to not get the upgrade. Tracking the car would be rare and I’m close to some really nice driving roads that will give me enough satisfaction without going crazy on track. With standard upgrades and the B58 the car is a beast. Now I’ve got some extra money for M Performance aero parts. I really like the carbon fiber rear wing.

[Dinosoar]

Nah, don't get it...no track work, no need for the ZTK package. I think you can resolve the 225 tires up front with another solution. I wholly agree 225s are just not enough tire. I have 255s (square) on my 230 and it just turns in so well, brakes so much better...just love it!

If you like the subjective aspect of the bigger brakes, and don't plan to replace the tires on your own, then it'd be worth it, IMO.

[G42 Pilot]

Went to a BMW autocross event by BMW a few weeks ago. Drove my M240xi with ZTK PS4s tires 2023. They had a 2024 240xi non ZTK Pirelli P7 Run Flat tires to test drive among several other cars/SAV's.
You play follow the leader, in sport mode, 4 total cars including an instructor this year do to morons either stealing or rolling a car.

To the point. After setting off the first thing I noticed was the tires were harsh and hard, following the instructor into the first 90 degree corner I noticed I really had to apply much more brake pressure that I'm used to to get the car to slow to a speed I'm comfortable entering in. The turn in was plagued with understeer and didn't exude confidence. I was like, WHAT THE HELL. I would never put this car on its sidewalls with those tires.
The ZTK is a night and day difference with this car.
If you can drive both versions, one after the other, do so and THEN make up your mind.
Tire type and front tire size makes a world of difference.

After the autocross session I spoke with one of the driving school instructors and he confirmed my findings. He told me that on the 5 series they use this year in the autocross, the remove the tires they come with (he said they are crap) and put on PS4s.
Choose wisely.

[IanH]

Ztk is mandatory. Idk what anyone is talking about not worth it.

Buying the tires alone from tire rack, which are the best street tires bar none, is $1,200. Value.

Better wheels, more cooling is always better.

I will never drive a car with run flat tires, it's just not going to happen, everyone knows they are terrible.

[G42 Pilot]

Originally Posted by IanH

Ztk is mandatory. Idk what anyone is talking about not worth it.

Buying the tires alone from tire rack, which are the best street tires bar none, is $1,200. Value.

Better wheels, more cooling is always better.

I will never drive a car with run flat tires, it's just not going to happen, everyone knows they are terrible.

Totally agree. Night and day difference.

[mvd_rsti]

Originally Posted by PosterNutbag

i'm building an M240 to order in a couple weeks. If I ever take it to a track it'll be incredibly rare. Should I spend the money on the cooling package in order to get the performance tire package of just stick with the all season and use them money somewhere else?

Most guys here will tell you its absolutely necessary to get the cooling package and justify it via anecdotal track information, which will miss the point since you've stated you'll rarely if ever use the car in that capacity. You could instead opt for the non run flat summer Pirelli tires instead of the all-seasons. The summer Pirellis are by all accounts not as good as the P4S's, but tires are a wear item and you can replace them a year or so down the line if you don't like them for a tire that'd better suit your needs.

[VegasG42]

Another thing to consider - if you typically go with aftermarket wheels for your vehicles .

Which I'm in the process now.

If I really liked any of the upgraded factory wheels for our G42, I likely would have gone that route. Even if BMW would have made some of the M car mesh wheels an option, i might have went with that as an option. But I pretty much have equal dislike for every available wheel option for our G42.

So if you don't plan on tracking your car more than once or twice a year (or less)

And you plan on going with aftermarket wheels and tires, then just skip the add-ons and upgrades. And have fun modding the car over the course of your ownership.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by IanH

Ztk is mandatory. Idk what anyone is talking about not worth it.

Buying the tires alone from tire rack, which are the best street tires bar none, is $1,200. Value.

Better wheels, more cooling is always better.

I will never drive a car with run flat tires, it's just not going to happen, everyone knows they are terrible.

You use a $1,200 value for better tires but then fail to take away money for the skid plate you now have to buy and get installed.

[BmwIowa]

Originally Posted by toastedoats

I wish I opted for it, the base 225s are not enough tire for this car

I noticed that too with my '19 230i xDrive that had the Track Package. It was not offered with the wider 245 section front tires of the current ZTK package. I would have liked the wider fronts for autocross and limited track use.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by kudos

You use a $1,200 value for better tires but then fail to take away money for the skid plate you now have to buy and get installed.

As far as I can read there are 1 or 2 people who got unlucky and lost their oil cooler on the g42. From the sound one of them he hit a raised casting as it wasn't just the oil cooler damaged.

Rocks kicking up can damage your car in many costly ways, seems quite dramatic to say that you shouldn't get ztk because of that risk.

If the ztk package was 2700 it would still be a fine deal. Are you implying that you would pay someone to install a skid plate?

[kudos]

Originally Posted by IanH

As far as I can read there are 1 or 2 people who got unlucky and lost their oil cooler on the g42. From the sound one of them he hit a raised casting as it wasn't just the oil cooler damaged.

Rocks kicking up can damage your car in many costly ways, seems quite dramatic to say that you shouldn't get ztk because of that risk.

If the ztk package was 2700 it would still be a fine deal. Are you implying that you would pay someone to install a skid plate?

Stop trying to redirect. You simply chose to ignore other options that 99% of this forum would say is needed if choosing ZTK package. You are either choosing to withhold information to make your argument better or just simply misinformed. Do you have to get the skid plate? No, but then you're opening yourself up to even costlier issues down the line. Not providing that information and just saying it's only $1200 is disingenuous.

[IanH]

Just salty that you got run flat tires? Can't understand you bro but clearly you are one of those "bmw drivers" I've been warned about. Tossing you on ignore enjoy your miserable life.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by IanH

Just salty that you got run flat tires? Can't understand you bro but clearly you are one of those "bmw drivers" I've been warned about. Tossing you on ignore enjoy your miserable life.

...and this is why society is where it is.