[IanH]

Originally Posted by Jayphil

I am suprised of this use case of cross climate. They were built for those that do not want to change tire in the winter vs summer. They will performed ok in Winter probable even with some lower quality winter tires or similar than good brand tires of some generations back but will never be as good as newer Xice snow or Alpin meant just for winter… so why run these if they are dedicated to winter tires?

My high level recommendation but depends of more precise use is.

If you run summer tire (4S) go with Alpin winter unless you want best winter capability and can sacrifice some driving characteristics then go xice.

If in summer you run all seasons then go with xice.

If you do not care about top performance in summer and winter and if you prefer to have one set of tire, go cross climate.

I guess you've never used CC2s? they are excelent in the snow and leave little extra performance to be desired. In places where snow does not stay on the road running true winters is complete overkill. Winter tires are much worse on the dry pavement performance metrics than 4 season tires.

For a long time 4 season tires didnt exist, nowadays unless you actually frequently drive on actual snow surface weekly or more, 4 season tires make way more sense.

[Jayphil]

Originally Posted by IanH

I guess you've never used CC2s? they are excelent in the snow and leave little extra performance to be desired. In places where snow does not stay on the road running true winters is complete overkill. Winter tires are much worse on the dry pavement performance metrics than 4 season tires.

For a long time 4 season tires didnt exist, nowadays unless you actually frequently drive on actual snow surface weekly or more, 4 season tires make way more sense.

Ok I understand your use case of cross climate for someone living not too much in the north but will see some some snow/ice once in the while so cannot keep the P4S during that time. I agree that Alpin would be overkill and not last long. I was just sharing what Michelin recommends but I also said that it depends on more specific use case, it is never black or white.


For anybody living in the north like me in Canada a real winter tire is better and this is why I run P4S summer and Alpin winter.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by Jayphil

Ok I understand your use case of cross climate for someone living not too much in the north but will see some some snow/ice once in the while so cannot keep the P4S during that time. I agree that Alpin would be overkill and not last long. I was just sharing what Michelin recommends but I also said that it depends on more specific use case, it is never black or white.


For anybody living in the north like me in Canada a real winter tire is better and this is why I run P4S summer and Alpin winter.

I'm in the boston area, and range up to northern new england in the winter for skiing. My CC2's on our SUV drive just as good as my Hakka R2's and other performance winters did. Blast through deep snow (2ft+) no problem, driving on snow covered roads at good speed without loss of control.

But down here in MA we havent had a lot of snow, climate change has drastically changed our winter weather. For the past 3 or 4 years we barely have more than 1 or 2 days a year with snow on the roadways that isnt plowed off in 24hrs.

[hazard777]

Originally Posted by M240SLC

I took mine back to the dealer, because this shitbox is busted again.

why, what happened?