[mks]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

After a couple of weeks with this and the valves are consistetly open. I have to say, there is more there as far as sound is concerned. In fact its almost satisfies my needs for more sound.

I've been trying to convince myself this is true. Unfortunately, I'm my own worst fact-checker What I think I am really conceding is that the M2 is simply not (and not intended to be) a Mustang, for example. I don't really miss my Mustangs, anyway. I'm just in the middle of "evolving" (?) from that to this.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by mks

I've been trying to convince myself this is true. Unfortunately, I'm my own worst fact-checker What I think I am really conceding is that the M2 is simply not (and not intended to be) a Mustang, for example. I don't really miss my Mustangs, anyway. I'm just in the middle of "evolving" (?) from that to this.

Let me clarify. I came out of an S550 Mustang with a Borla Switchfire and Ford Performance by Borla Aggressive mufflers. You are correct you will never get a G87 to sound like a V8 Mustang and I am not trying too. I don't think these cars sound good loud at all. The controller helps to get a little more out of it to somewhat satisfy that itch. I have to admit I actually like the fact that these cars are more quiet than the Mustang. You gave the car half throttle and shifted at 4k rpm and everyone thinks you are trying to race them. A short video of my Mustang.

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by mks

I've been trying to convince myself this is true. Unfortunately, I'm my own worst fact-checker What I think I am really conceding is that the M2 is simply not (and not intended to be) a Mustang, for example. I don't really miss my Mustangs, anyway. I'm just in the middle of "evolving" (?) from that to this.

Either way its useful even with an exhaust system.

[mks]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Either way its useful even with an exhaust system.

The experience was useful--I've never considered a valve controller or had to with previous vehicles (e.g, I pulled the fuse in my Supra and left it at that). So, relative to other mods and costs in my experience, this won't be one I'll repeat.

[Info@mad-us.com]

We have added 0,25,50,75% modes to the middle button on all units being shipped on or after 11/22

[mks]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

We have added 0,25,50,75% modes to the middle button on all units being shipped on or after 11/22

I applaud the effort to enhance the features of the tech being made available to owners and enthusiasts. For my admittedly finite experience, when it comes to valve controllers whose effects I’ve found to be nominal, I might borrow from Occam's razor to help describe the utility of adding such features--at least in this case. That is, adding "capabilities" to a piece of tech which—again, in my limited/likely one-off experience—already seems embellished in its performance and is, therefore, not only a step beyond any demonstrable necessity but further aligns itself with a kind of greater antic so often encountered under the headline, “new and improved,” when in reality there is nothing true of the former and nothing, according to Occam, save a retail legerdemain in the latter.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by mks

I applaud the effort to enhance the features of the tech being made available to owners and enthusiasts. For my admittedly finite experience, when it comes to valve controllers whose effects I’ve found to be nominal, I might borrow from Occam's razor to help describe the utility of adding such features--at least in this case. That is, adding "capabilities" to a piece of tech which—again, in my limited/likely one-off experience—already seems embellished in its performance and is, therefore, not only a step beyond any demonstrable necessity but further aligns itself with a kind of greater antic so often encountered under the headline, “new and improved,” when in reality there is nothing true of the former and nothing, according to Occam, save a retail legerdemain in the latter.

i dont know what you put in chatgpt to get this response, but i dont understand what you are saying.

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

i dont know what you put in chatgpt to get this response, but i dont understand what you are saying.

Think he’s saying thank you for adding the new features. 🙂

[mks]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

i dont know what you put in chatgpt to get this response, but i dont understand what you are saying.

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Think he’s saying thank you for adding the new features. 🙂

You guys crack me up.

Yes, I was in fact saying thanks for "adding new features." Really, I was saying thanks, in general, for continuing to innovate. However…

I was also suggesting that, in this case, the addition seemed a bit silly given that this particular tech isn't really "all that" to begin with. Perhaps borrowing from old William of Ockham was, ironically, "adding a feature" beyond necessity. The razor is, after all, often criticized for overlooking nuance and complexity.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

i dont know what you put in chatgpt to get this response, but i dont understand what you are saying.

That was a hilarious response

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by mks

You guys crack me up.

Yes, I was in fact saying thanks for "adding new features." Really, I was saying thanks, in general, for continuing to innovate. However…

I was also suggesting that, in this case, the addition seemed a bit silly given that this particular tech isn't really "all that" to begin with. Perhaps borrowing from old William of Ockham was, ironically, "adding a feature" beyond necessity. The razor is, after all, often criticized for overlooking nuance and complexity.

The only way I see the new features worthwhile is for a full catless dp setup and you are trying to fine tune the exhaust. With the OEM midpipe I leave it at 100% open all the time.

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

The only way I see the new features worthwhile is for a full catless dp setup and you are trying to fine tune the exhaust. With the OEM midpipe I leave it at 100% open all the time.

The main goal was to add a fully closed exhaust position to one of the dedicated buttons since we’re limited to three buttons total. Programming wise, we accomplished this and also got to add the 25% and 75% modes.

One of the most common questions we received was why the exhaust couldn’t be closed while in M mode. Previously, the OEM button kept the valve open in M mode, which didn’t give users full control.

Why not just add a fourth button like others have done? The answer lies in Homelink compatibility. Homelink systems only support three buttons, and now you have complete valve control with Homelink, eliminating the need to rely on the remote entirely.

[mks]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

The main goal was to add a fully closed exhaust position to one of the dedicated buttons since we’re limited to three buttons total. Programming wise, we accomplished this and also got to add the 25% and 75% modes.

One of the most common questions we received was why the exhaust couldn’t be closed while in M mode. Previously, the OEM button kept the valve open in M mode, which didn’t give users full control.

Why not just add a fourth button like others have done? The answer lies in Homelink compatibility. Homelink systems only support three buttons, and now you have complete valve control with Homelink, eliminating the need to rely on the remote entirely.

It's good to hear companies being responsive to consumer demand--which kinda makes my point. The additional capability for this particular tech is lost on me as I only find it useful at fully closed or fully open--hence the analogy to Occam. Again, this is one user's feedback and not the base you apparently have signaling a demand that would prompt such an addition.

As it happens, I set mine to fully open and haven't touched it since the install.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

That was a hilarious response

Thank you

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by mks

It's good to hear companies being responsive to consumer demand--which kinda makes my point. The additional capability for this particular tech is lost on me as I only find it useful at fully closed or fully open--hence the analogy to Occam. Again, this is one user's feedback and not the base you apparently have signaling a demand that would prompt such an addiction.

As it happens, I set mine to fully open and haven't touched it since the install.

Your right, most people don't care about the middle settings and that has been pretty much the consensus on the initial features feedback thread I made before the item was released. However I like features and i'm a firm believer in the more features the better philosophy only if they can be implemented properly. I think we nailed it

[mks]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

I like features and i'm a firm believer in the more features the better philosophy only if they can be implemented properly. I think we nailed it

Again, I can't disagree with the inclination or effort of companies that strive to meet consumer demand and make genuine, useful improvements to products and services. I this case, I think you may have “nailed” the psychology of the market, not the product.

We've been discussing philosophies that are just antithetical to one another. On the one hand, I was expressing a value in utility; on the other, you are espousing a value in the idea that “more” (additions that can be “properly implemented”) is better or preferable. Again, according to your own observation, these “additions” don’t, therefore, have to be useful but merely work. I’m just saying I find that approach problematic and a bit disappointing.

Given the surfeit and superfluity of overly-optioned tech we see nowadays (e.g., electric toothbrushes with Bluetooth enabled apps that track one’s brushing habits, to include patterns, total time, modes, etc), I wonder at the real and lost purpose of such “improvements” which seem only to drive up cost in the face of a seemingly disappearing concept of plain, even dull, utility.

I just find the idea of “more” to be illusory in its attempt, perhaps, to convince us we are—or think we are—enjoying even “more” options and the freedom to choose them. When, in my experience, the former are too often never enjoyed as they are not useful or actually put to use (again, Bluetooth enabled toothbrushes) and the latter amounts to a marketing gimmick that suggest to the consumer that “more” is inherently good for your sense of freedom. One might argue, in the case of tech like this, that if a thing is capable but useless then it is ultimately pointless (and sometimes, ironically, more expensive).

In any event, it would appear I am in the minority of the consumer market, and, therefore, I concede the argument to the larger forces of that majority �� Although I don't use 3/4s of the tech in my M2, I am still using the MAD valve controller--even though mine remains on the one and only setting I find not only useful but enjoyable.

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by mks

Again, I can't disagree with the inclination or effort of companies that strive to meet consumer demand and make genuine, useful improvements to products and services. I this case, I think you may have “nailed” the psychology of the market, not the product.

We've been discussing philosophies that are just antithetical to one another. On the one hand, I was expressing a value in utility; on the other, you are espousing a value in the idea that “more” (additions that can be “properly implemented”) is better or preferable. Again, according to your own observation, these “additions” don’t, therefore, have to be useful but merely work. I’m just saying I find that approach problematic and a bit disappointing.

Given the surfeit and superfluity of overly-optioned tech we see nowadays (e.g., electric toothbrushes with Bluetooth enabled apps that track one’s brushing habits, to include patterns, total time, modes, etc), I wonder at the real and lost purpose of such “improvements” which seem only to drive up cost in the face of a seemingly disappearing concept of plain, even dull, utility.

I just find the idea of “more” to be illusory in its attempt, perhaps, to convince us we are—or think we are—enjoying even “more” options and the freedom to choose them. When, in my experience, the former are too often never enjoyed as they are not useful or actually put to use (again, Bluetooth enabled toothbrushes) and the latter amounts to a marketing gimmick that suggest to the consumer that “more” is inherently good for your sense of freedom. One might argue, in the case of tech [...]

As long as your happy with product I'm happy 😁

[ScottyRyan2019]

Something I found interesting is in the cold weather I would notice when I came to a stop that the exhaust would quiet down as if the valves were closing even in Sport+. I wonder if this is something programmed in the engine control for cold weather? I didn't notice it when it was warm out. If so, a valve controller would be even more beneficial in the cold to prevent this.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

Something I found interesting is in the cold weather I would notice when I came to a stop that the exhaust would quiet down as if the valves were closing even in Sport+. I wonder if this is something programmed in the engine control for cold weather? I didn't notice it when it was warm out. If so, a valve controller would be even more beneficial in the cold to prevent this.

If you have a valve controller set on open valves, it will override any programming.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

If you have a valve controller set on open valves, it will override any programming.

That's what I was hoping for. Thanks 👍

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

Something I found interesting is in the cold weather I would notice when I came to a stop that the exhaust would quiet down as if the valves were closing even in Sport+. I wonder if this is something programmed in the engine control for cold weather? I didn't notice it when it was warm out. If so, a valve controller would be even more beneficial in the cold to prevent this.

Never noticed this and not sure why it would do that. However with our valve controller the car will not be making any decisions without your approval.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Never noticed this and not sure why it would do that. However with our valve controller the car will not be making any decisions without your approval.

I only notice it when it's less than approx 40 degrees, maybe a bit colder. I think I need one of these controllers lol