[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by gblansten

That is likely most significant for any passenger who would like to stay on the bus. Everyone else would get off the bus with celerity.

And if the children couldn't get off the bus with celerity?

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

And if the children couldn't get off the bus with celerity?

Then they burn... like they would burn in an ICE bus fire or ANY fire...

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

And if the children couldn't get off the bus with celerity?

That would be the best plan. Yes. Swiftness when there is a fire seems like a good policy.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Holy hell! Scratch my suggestion above.

?In home schooling only?

Well, what happened to the horses?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, what happened to the horses?

Glue

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Then they burn... like they would burn in an ICE bus fire or ANY fire...

You missing the point, that is, the location of the fires in that EV bus

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

And if the children couldn't get off the bus with celerity?

Originally Posted by gblansten

That would be the best plan. Yes. Swiftness when there is a fire seems like a good policy.

What would be the best plan?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

What would be the best plan?

Probably exiting the bus. I highly recommend leaving the bus if it is on fire.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by gblansten

That is likely most significant for any passenger who would like to stay on the bus. Everyone else would get off the bus with celerity.

Originally Posted by gblansten

Probably exiting the bus. I highly recommend leaving the bus if it is on fire.

And if the children could not get off the EV bus with celerity?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

And if the children could not get off the EV bus with celerity?

Let's face it. You aren't making it off that bus...ICE or EV.

[guccicellphone]

Before exiting the bus, I would stop drop and roll regardless EV or ICE. Cuz that's what we're told to do in school right??
But tbh, I rarely see EVs explode, not as much as ICE cars. They're safe, but I still want a ICE car tho. Stuck with a BMW i3.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Let's face it. You aren't making it off that bus...ICE or EV.

Just as I thought. No substance, only sophomoric argument.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Just as I thought. No substance, only sophomoric argument.

Of course anyone should agree it's serious, but typical reactions from some EV affectionados being sharp-witted and I'm used to it. I've said before more than once that you won't know when or where with EV's and for sure least when you expect it.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by guccicellphone

Before exiting the bus, I would stop drop and roll regardless EV or ICE. Cuz that's what we're told to do in school right??
But tbh, I rarely see EVs explode, not as much as ICE cars. They're safe, but I still want a ICE car tho. Stuck with a BMW i3.

Join date, post count, how many aliases do you have?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Just as I thought. No substance, only sophomoric argument.

And I thought you were trolling since your questions seemed pointless.

[M5Rick]

Keep 'em coming y'all, important to get one and all's opinions on this. A burning EV school bus full of kids is no joking matter.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by gblansten

And I thought you were trolling since your questions seemed pointless.

No trolling. The point is (and it is hard for me to understand that you, who knows about the loop of Henle cannot fathom) given the location of the batteries in the buses and the location of the fires, can you not come up with any scenario in which children might not be able to exit with celerity? Sometimes children, and some adults, are dependent on other adults for their safety and well being.
Now adults can banter about EVs vs ICE vehicles, fine, we can analyze the risk benefit ratios for ourselves and our family.
When one is discussing school buses one is discussing children. Children cannot analyze the risk benefit ratio of an electric powered school bus vs ICE powered, they must rely on adults. Unfortunately, in regards to school buses, that risk benefit ratio is determined by bureaucrats who may have other agendas other than safety and first do no harm.
Regards

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

No trolling. The point is (and it is hard for me to understand that you, who knows about the loop of Henle cannot fathom) given the location of the batteries in the buses and the location of the fires, can you not come up with any scenario in which children might not be able to exit with celerity? Sometimes children, and some adults, are dependent on other adults for their safety and well being.
Now adults can banter about EVs vs ICE vehicles, fine, we can analyze the risk benefit ratios for ourselves and our family.
When one is discussing school buses one is discussing children. Children cannot analyze the risk benefit ratio of an electric powered school bus vs ICE powered, they must rely on adults. Unfortunately, in regards to school buses, that risk benefit ratio is determined by bureaucrats who may have other agendas other than safety and first do no harm.

Regards

I am appointing you to war game the scenarios where a bus filled with 12 year olds with Duchenne muscular dystrophy breaks down on a steep hill while driving down it and the bus driver just had an L4-L5 discectomy and probably came back to work too early because her short term disability insurance is terrible.

Here is an ICE bus fire in 2012. The bus fires don't seem to go well with any propulsion technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0toX2phpSs

[Tejas1836]

[QUOTE=gblansten;31790406]I am appointing you to war game the scenarios where a bus filled with 12 year old with Duchenne muscular dystrophy breaks down on a steep hill while driving down it and the bus driver just had an L4-L5 discectomy and probably came back to work too early because her short term disability insurance is terrible.

Here is an ICE bus fire in 2012. The bus fires don't seem to well with any propulsion technology.

I agree with you, nothing is ever 100% risk free. So, we deal in probabilities, risk benefit ratios. I submit that an ICE bus has a more favorable risk benefit ratio for evacuation of disabled children with celerity than an electric bus because of the location of the batteries directly beneath the occupants of the electric bus and the time required to evacuate disabled people.
Regards

[gblansten]

[QUOTE=Tejas1836;31790472]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I am appointing you to war game the scenarios where a bus filled with 12 year old with Duchenne muscular dystrophy breaks down on a steep hill while driving down it and the bus driver just had an L4-L5 discectomy and probably came back to work too early because her short term disability insurance is terrible.

Here is an ICE bus fire in 2012. The bus fires don't seem to well with any propulsion technology.

I agree with you, nothing is ever 100% risk free. So, we deal in probabilities, risk benefit ratios. I submit that an ICE bus has a more favorable risk benefit ratio for evacuation of disabled children with celerity than an electric bus because of the location of the batteries directly beneath the occupants of the electric bus and the time required to evacuate disabled people.
Regards

ICE fire data versus EV fire data suggests that the fire risk per number of vehicles is higher with ICE. It would appear at this point that it is safer to transport kids via EV tech. This is separate from cost and logistic issues though. I don't mind disagreeing on this at all. Over time data will emerge that resolves this debate.

[carseatsm5]

Fire at world's 2nd largest battery storage facility in Monterey Co. forces evacuations

https://abc7news.com/post/fire-moss-...ures/15809742/


“Firefighters are not engaging the fire and are waiting for it to burn out on its own. It is unknown how long the fire will last.”

[gblansten]

Stay safe everyone.

https://abc13.com/post/waller-county...lity/15435161/

"When crews arrived at the scene, metal flew off, which delayed them from battling the fire, but it was later contained.. Because of the building's location, grass fire became a primary concern, and multiple agencies assisted in the efforts to extinguish the blaze. About 30 acres of grass fire were stopped without further damage."

Propane tank facility fire.