[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by kudos

The outcry about farm jobs from illegal immigrants is overblown. The US has and will continue to have temporary visas for farm workers (Mexicans) through H2-A. There is zero reason why those couldn't be increased as necessary.

Which is exactly what should have been done decades ago. The whole problem here spans many decades of not implementing such policies. Since farmworkers, on average, were paid $1.22 an hour in 2022, and the H2-A program requires pay based on minimum wages (averaging more like $17.55 now), farmers and consumers are set for a rude awakening.

The fact that such a policy is not being implemented beforehand is why it is not overblown IMO. And the wage stipulations.

Whether an expanded and simplified H2-A program is now implemented, in a timely and efficient manner, remains to be seen. The farmers find it burdensome and expensive, which is why the current situation exists. But, I am all for an expanded simplified version that solves our problems. Until that happens, it is going to be a problem. I am not holding my breath.

Glad you brought it up though, as an opportunity to lay out some details.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by unluky

But I grew up on a farm, so even eating shit at a job where I was in climate control and had donuts on the counter was nothing compared to my childhood of 18 hour days on tractors in the sun and bucking bails and sacks of seed around.

Hahhahaha so did I. Was working on our farm and an uncles pig farm, 45 fucking degrees (110 in usa speak) and dodging snakes that could drop an elephant in 3 seconds and spiders that bite first/ask questions later, someone offered me an office job and i thought it was the easiest money ever.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by ASAP

do you know what's even wilder... that we have to import people at near slave labor wages to do those jobs... outsouring jobs no one wants to do is kind of sad...

Outsourcing can take many forms. bringing in people to perform cheap labor. Or importing their products in a finished form. We do both. And have benefitted greatly from that. And it has had some very real negative consequences too. When looked at in its totality, the net outcome has been that we have had a very strong economy and cheap prices for a very long time. A net positive, with some serious costs.

I believe that what you are saying is that there are both financial and ethical/moral implications to that situation. No argument there, definitely shades of gray. An expansion to a full-fledged H2-A visa situation could address a big part of that. It could get very expensive. Are people really prepared for that? Or just unaware of the reality?

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by unluky

26? LOL. You got a lot of dues to pay before management should be the minimum. And as someone who hires people? A huge gap in your resume is always a red flag without a reasonable excuse. Especially at that age, so be mindful of that.

I was lucky and found my calling early and started in my industry right before I turned 21 and STILL ate shit for many years being moved and promoted to slightly increasing jobs. I was probably your age before I got a lucky break and a 2nd shift supervisor went out on maternity leave and no one wanted the shift - so I stuck my shit eating hand in the air and got a chance to prove myself. That 6 months turned into 10, but my numbers spoke for themselves and I was moved into a dayshift supers spot when she returned and then into the managers spot above both of those within the year.

I was almost 36 when I got my first VP title with a nice office with windows and l felt lucky to have it even then.

But I grew up on a farm, so even eating shit at a job where I was in climate control and had donuts on the counter was nothing compared to my childhood of 18 hour days on tractors in the sun and bucking bails and sacks of seed around.

Decide WHAT you want to do - take whatever job you can in that industry and always insure you are "the man" at it. First in, last to leave and stick your hand up at the hardest projects and you will get your shot. Management looks at people there for the company - not for themselves most times.

Don't give up. Roll up your sleeves and get after it - your work will be rewarded. Don't listen to the "hard work is for brown noses - the company does not care" crowd - there is a reason they have been in that spot for 32 years.

Very well put! Totally agree. The alternative is proving one's self by earning a very difficult degree and everything that entails. And you still start out at the bottom of your field.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

Outsourcing can take many forms. bringing in people to perform cheap labor. Or importing their products in a finished form. We do both. And have benefitted greatly from that. And it has had some very real negative consequences too. When looked at in its totality, the net outcome has been that we have had a very strong economy and cheap prices for a very long time. A net positive, with some serious costs.

I believe that what you are saying is that there are both financial and ethical/moral implications to that situation. No argument there, definitely shades of gray. An expansion to a full-fledged H2-A visa situation could address a big part of that. It could get very expensive. Are people really prepared for that? Or just unaware of the reality?

like you said... i think people are "comfortable" w the current reality because it benefits them, ie out of sight out of mind... but then you cant talk about deportations as some sort of human rights issue by turning your eye to the other issue... the media has in fact done this as have a lot of people

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Sounds like OP already makes a decent dollar, so either has to kick qualifications up a notch and get properly certified in something guaranteed to bring in cash (lawyer etc) but that will take damn near 10 years and knowing your education system there will cost half a million dollars.

IMHO easiest route is bring revenue to the table, i'd look long and hard at medical sales.

Like all things, if you go about it wrong, it can be costly and even ineffective. My son just earned his Masters in computer science from a top-notch university and it cost around $22,000. He already held a bachelors in a totally different field. He stepped right into a $125,000 a year position, nearly doubling his pay.

Planning came into play though, I had insisted during his undergrad years that he have a strong minor (computer science). His major was more of a passion. And he worked his ass off for all of that, then spent 4 years working between degrees.

I agree that someone who can produce revenue is always going to be a valuable part of any organization. Though I understand the OP wanting to change professions. Not everyone is suited for sales.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by kudos

The outcry about farm jobs from illegal immigrants is overblown. The US has and will continue to have temporary visas for farm workers (Mexicans) through H2-A. There is zero reason why those couldn't be increased as necessary.

Ha. I don't think the current administration has any love for anything tied to non-US citizen "immigrants" working in this country, even if they are here legally under H2-A.

This is one of many perfect examples of "f around and find out" that this administration and the American people will experience in about 2 to 6 months. A simplistic view of complex issues is something this administration and its base lives by.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by alfisti

...and dodging snakes that could drop an elephant in 3 seconds and spiders that bite first/ask questions later...

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[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

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Honestly it was savage. You'd enter the pig shed, big place, maybe 100 sows or so, but they attract mice and these fucking Brown Snakes would be about and dead set have you nervous any time you move anything. They eat like a mouse a week but can drop 300 in one bite, like why are you carrying this weaponry to kill a bloody mouse? Fuckers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_brown_snake

The eastern brown snake is considered the second-most venomous terrestrial snake in the world, behind only the inland taipan (Oxyuranus microlepidotus) of central east Australia.[58] Responsible for more deaths from snakebite in Australia than any other species. As a genus, brown snakes were responsible for 41% of identified snakebite victims in Australia between 2005 and 2015, and for 15 of the 19 deaths during this period.[60] Within the genus, the eastern brown snake is the species most commonly implicated.[56] It is classified as a snake of medical importance by the World Health Organization.[61][c]