[DrVenture]

The implication here in that if this were a "non///M" N63, that were driven exactly the same way and broke, it would be covered. That seems weird.

I am not seeing where there was a tear down that implicates an oiling or related issue, either. What if it was a catastrophic cooling failure? Or other defect, like a timing chain broke?

The elephant in the room is that if you own a N63, and did not do a preemptive 1200 mile oil change that you are flirting with disaster, if driving it hard. Based on the notion that this was solely due to a 1200 mile oil change. Even moreso if tuning it. Though, my opinion is not to buy a performance engine if you cannot afford a huge repair bill.

And never give an automaker any reason to void your coverage. I don't know if this is a troll post, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if coverage were declined for this reason on a $30K claim.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Phizzzle

What is a "real M car"? According to BMW's website, the M60i is classified under their "M" division.

A real M car has a vin number starting with WBS…….

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

The implication here in that if this were a "non///M" N63, that were driven exactly the same way and broke, it would be covered. That seems weird.

Yeah, very odd. There's not that big of a difference between an N63 and an S63 that it would make sense for it to have more wear during break in. It makes even less sense on an LCI where the M60 and the full M are both S68 motors.

Something tells me we won't ever get any resolution on this one...

[whyzee125]

Sure, a late break-in service, shouldn't cause a catastrophic failure. But BMW has to cover their bases as well. S engines are built with tight tolerances and are expected to work harder so it only makes sense that they will require the recommended service to be done. There's often more to the story than initially meets the eye.

That's a lot of miles to put on so quickly. I bet if he'd brought it in at 1,400 miles instead of 1,200 it wouldn't be an issue. But I'd be willing to bet it was skipped entirely and only had one or no oil changes in that time.

[No one]

Originally Posted by Phizzzle

What is a "real M car"? According to BMW's website, the M60i is classified under their "M" division.

A real ///M car is what you get when you spend real big money. They put all the shit in to make those as expensive as possible, even ridiculous (that must be why the owners are so sensitive when you claim you have almost the same for much less ). Their "M-Performance" line (M60i and alike belong to) is an attempt to suck more from those who want but can't, it's "sex for beggars" as a classmate of mine would say. Don't let them fool you, bring more money next time!

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by No one

A real ///M car is what you get when you spend real big money. They put all the shit in to make those as expensive as possible, even ridiculous (that must be why the owners are so sensitive when you claim you have almost the same for much less ). Their "M-Performance" line (M60i and alike belong to) is an attempt to suck more from those who want but can't, it's "sex for beggars" as a classmate of mine would say. Don't let them fool you, bring more money next time!

Sure, and amortize the engineering costs across more vehicles in some case. Might even make the M car a little more profitable.

In many cases the decision isn't based on can or can not, though. I could easily afford a new M5, but chose a used M550 because spending $125K+ on a car that I will barely drive seems silly to me. It goes against my instincts. I still look at used low-mileage F90 M5s and I just don't see the value for myself. Maybe in a couple more years when prices have receded more, I may pick up a very low mileage example. Maybe not. Others make their choices based on their situation.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

The elephant in the room is that if you own a N63, and did not do a preemptive 1200 mile oil change that you are flirting with disaster, if driving it hard. Based on the notion that this was solely due to a 1200 mile oil change

What matters at 1200 miles is to drain the M model break-in oil which has very different properties than regular oil as it will destroy internals if not replaced. If your model left the factory with regular oil it's a non-issue. Follow the manual for your model.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by DanG

A real M car has a vin number starting with WBS…….

This used to be true until the current M2. It’s doesn’t have WBS but 3MF.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

What matters at 1200 miles is to drain the M model break-in oil which has very different properties than regular oil as it will destroy internals if not replaced. If your model left the factory with regular oil it's a non-issue. Follow the manual for your model.

If the oil is actually different and might cause harm over time, I understand. I have seen this claim, and seen many say there is nothing different about the oil, just a precautionary change to get rid of assembly lubes and wear metals.

I am open to reasonable proof though. Not saying you are wrong, but has BMW ever put this in writing somewhere?

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Phizzzle

What is a "real M car"? According to BMW's website, the M60i is classified under their "M" division.

That’s the “M”arketing division. Not a real M car.

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

What matters at 1200 miles is to drain the M model break-in oil which has very different properties than regular oil as it will destroy internals if not replaced. If your model left the factory with regular oil it's a non-issue. Follow the manual for your model.

Myth. There is no “break-in oil”. It’s standard oil. Debunked many times.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Myth. There is no “break-in oil”. It’s standard oil. Debunked many times.

My bad. Swear I saw a dealer video where it was a different color, like mineral oil. Seems the difference is in tolerances between the S and the N and the resulting metal from the tighter tolerances of S motors that needs to be flushed out.

[xlover]

Playing along assuming OP isn’t a troll

I read OP post as he never got any oil changes over the life of the vehicle.

Reading into what was unsaid, an how cryptic OP was… while he specifically called out BMW targeting the late break in, however with 30k miles the vehicle would have called for 2/3/4 more oil changes after the break in over that mileage…. If bmw was still referencing the break in I assume it is becuase that is still the next service due for the vehicle.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by DanG

I guess the first question in when did you do the breakin service?

It definitely doesn’t sound like it

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Myth. There is no “break-in oil”. It’s standard oil. Debunked many times.

Correct. I don't know who came up with this notion that BMW uses special lotion

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by xlover

Playing along assuming OP isn’t a troll

I read OP post as he never got any oil changes over the life of the vehicle.

Reading into what was unsaid, an how cryptic OP was… while he specifically called out BMW targeting the late break in, however with 30k miles the vehicle would have called for 2/3/4 more oil changes after the break in over that mileage…. If bmw was still referencing the break in I assume it is becuase that is still the next service due for the vehicle.

He's from NYC so might not be a troll but probably thinks he is always right or has a sense of entitlement. No break in service would invalidate the warranty. No oil change ever should be an immediate revocation of his man-card and a lifetime ban on buying any car except a Toyota or EV. If true, what a fool (who thinks he is cool).

BTW OP, you are welcome for all the feedback on this forum. The proper response is "Thank You", a phrase rarely heard in NYC.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by N1rve

This used to be true until the current M2. It’s doesn’t have WBS but 3MF.

Because is not made in Germany anymore but México

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Because is not made in Germany anymore but México

That's correct.

[X5MnM3comp]

My observation:

1) OP was late on doing a free breaking service

2) OP was late seeking for help on here (engine broke in April of 2024)

3) OP is late or will never reply

What does the pattern suggest???

[mjr24]

Seems OP is a dipshit. If he posts on a forum and can’t even be bothered to log back into his phone to check replies…I’m pretty sure he also couldn’t be bothered to take the car in for oil changes (even for free).

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Seems OP is a dipshit. If he posts on a forum and can’t even be bothered to log back into his phone to check replies…I’m pretty sure he also couldn’t be bothered to take the car in for oil changes (even for free).

This is why I quit giving detailed responses to folks’ first post. I post one sentence. Numerous times I used to give detailed answers only for them to never come back. It’s a shame, because a lot of times I could give a comprehensive answer to their question right off the bat, but I don’t do it anymore.

[BMWbiker]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Seems OP is a dipshit. If he posts on a forum and can’t even be bothered to log back into his phone to check replies…I’m pretty sure he also couldn’t be bothered to take the car in for oil changes (even for free).

Yes. Or, he’s too embarrassed. Or, he realized that someone at BMW could read his comment and use it against him. Or, he’s a troll.