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      10-07-2024, 02:33 PM   #45
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That's the key thing... you cannot control the vast majority of emergency situations. The ability to stop and change direction is everything.
I recommend avoiding all emergency situations and accidents, just seems like the wise thing to do.
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      10-07-2024, 02:54 PM   #46
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I drive my AS4s all seasons but I’m also not stupid. I take my truck if the weather is overly crappy.
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      10-07-2024, 03:50 PM   #47
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its the sudden braking and turning that will get you.
That's kinda my argument for running quality all seasons in a place with moderate winters where temps are routinely 15 to 45 degrees, sub 30" total snow falls (typically 1" to 3" snow events), rarely snow on the streets except a day or so after a snow event, etc.

I've had winter tires and they are pretty damn good in sub 4" snow and extreme sub zero cold, but once temps get above 35 degrees or so, winter tire traction degrades. Even worse with true snow tires. Handling and braking are negatively affected and it gets almost dangerous above 50. That's why I run quality all seasons in the Kansas City which has moderate winters and temps usually 20-45 degrees. If there is snow on all the streets, I won't take my all season-equipped cars out unless I absolutely need to. I'm not afraid to drive in light snow, rather it's the other drivers I don't trust. There are very few reasons that I must be out in the snow and if I must go, I'll take my wife's 4Runner unless of course I got stuck in a situation where it snowed while I was out in my M235 or Cayman. That would be odd as I watch the weather fairly closely on my phone.
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      10-07-2024, 03:54 PM   #48
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OP lives downtown Toronto, he ain't going fucking nowhere if it properly snows, and I mean fucking nowhere. The traffic will be at a standstill. The roads are flat, arrow straight and plowed and TBH it has barely snowed the last 7 or so winters out of the last 10. Literally all you need winter tyres for here is stop signs to help with braking.
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Yup

thought I should update this thread since Ive been on the AS4s for a few months now.

Quite happy with these tires. Good dry performance (I cant tell the difference from the PS4s when driving the car in a spirited manner, I dont track), great wet performance, work well in cold and decent traction in snow (drove it a couple times where there was about 2-3 cm on the ground).

Pretty great solution if you can pick your battles over the winter, at least for a mid engine rwd drive car that has decent traction given the placement of the engine. They seem pretty much as good in the snow as the Alpin PA4s I had before, but that was on a front engine rwd car so not apples to apples.
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Yeah my CrossCLimate2's have been good too, tbh they feel a bit better in winter than they do in summer where the soft compound and the directional tread feels very mushy.

But I do 3K KM a yr, grew tired of the hassle of two sets of wheels/tyres for two cars, just fucking headache.
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I have yet to see how these Continental DSW 06+ behave in actual snow. But, I had the less well-regarded Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season plus on my last high HP AWD sedan and they kicked ass. I easily kept up with SUVs and even 4x4 trucks in both accelerating and stopping. This coming from someone who did a lot of driving in inclement weather at night with unplowed or partially plowed roads.

I agree with the folks who are not sold on dedicated snow tires for occasional snowfall. I grew up driving RWD cars with crappy bias plys and no ABS, so snow driving a modern car with AWD on modern AS tires doesn't remotely faze me.
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Since my last post in September, I got rid of my 2016 M235 6MT and got a 2018 M2 DCT in November. The M2 came with brand new PS4s and I installed the AS4s because the M2 is my daily. I've driven through 2"-4" inches of snow with the M2 and it was OK. Unsurprisingly, with the wider foot print of the M2's tires, the tires ride more on the snow rather than cut into it like the narrower AS4s did on the M235. I think 1"-2" of snow is all I'm willing to tackle in the M2.

We got 12" of snow in early January which is something that only happens every 10 years or so. Within 24 hours of the event, the streets were cleared enough to drive the M2 and with no concerns of getting stuck or sliding into something.
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I have yet to see how these Continental DSW 06+ behave in actual snow. But, I had the less well-regarded Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season plus on my last high HP AWD sedan and they kicked ass. I easily kept up with SUVs and even 4x4 trucks in both accelerating and stopping. This coming from someone who did a lot of driving in inclement weather at night with unplowed or partially plowed roads.

I agree with the folks who are not sold on dedicated snow tires for occasional snowfall. I grew up driving RWD cars with crappy bias plys and no ABS, so snow driving a modern car with AWD on modern AS tires doesn't remotely faze me.
The Continental DSW 06 is REALLY good in the snow. You give up a little handling to the AS4, but you get better winter traction. I had the Continental DSW 06 on my 2012 WRX and it was impressive.
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I have yet to see how these Continental DSW 06+ behave in actual snow. But, I had the less well-regarded Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season plus on my last high HP AWD sedan and they kicked ass. I easily kept up with SUVs and even 4x4 trucks in both accelerating and stopping. This coming from someone who did a lot of driving in inclement weather at night with unplowed or partially plowed roads.

I agree with the folks who are not sold on dedicated snow tires for occasional snowfall. I grew up driving RWD cars with crappy bias plys and no ABS, so snow driving a modern car with AWD on modern AS tires doesn't remotely faze me.
DSW06 are really good in snow but I found they wore faster than the Michelin Pilot Sport AS4.

And me too, bias ply in winter, no TC or ABS, and oh, DRUM BRAKES!
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They seem pretty much as good in the snow as the Alpin PA4s I had before, but that was on a front engine rwd car so not apples to apples.
I ran performance winter tires (Vredestein Wintrac Pro) followed by UHP all season tires (Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate and now BFGoodrich G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus) on my BRZ and I had the same experience. They were about on-par in the snow, and the performance winter tires were very mushy and had a bit less grip in dry and wet. I think performance winter tires are a bit of a miss (or they might not get as much R&D investment from manufacturers) - not enough grip in snow/ice yet sacrifice dry/wet grip a little and sharpness/handling quite a lot.
It might be that performance winter tires would be better than UHP all seasons for dry and very cold roads, but I tend to not drive aggressively in these conditions anyway (never know when a shaded patch will have some black ice).
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I normally run Continental DWS06's on my DD and I like them all year around.

In Dec when I picked up my 840 DD, they were back ordered and there were limited choices in my size. I didn't want to run the summer tires in a NJ winter (you never know day-to-day) so I ordered Vredesten Quatrac Pro+ all weather touring and I think I may like them a bit better than the Continentals. They've been smooth and quiet on the warmer dry days, and really great on the cold days and in the snow. I guess time will tell though, but so far, so good.
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