[NotSharocks]

As long as it's not going to have a WBS VIN.

But BMW has lacked decency and respect for at least a decade so unlikely.

And no S motor. Just an E motor.

I hope it leases out cheap.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Do you mind if I choose not to engage with your message, which feels overly subjective, unrelated, and filled with immature, out of place analogies that don't seem to serve a meaningful point?

The comparison you’re making between EVs and ICE vehicles doesn't really address the nuances of the discussion, and I’m not inclined to delve into it further.

Thank you for understanding.

Just trying to give you some facts that seem to elude you. This is all very pertinent, as it counters your claims about how superior a car is with a gas engine compared to electric. How about the fact that electric motors are up to 95% efficient compared to 20%-50% of internal combustion engines. Yes, double the efficiency. Do you have any idea how significant that is? And yet you tout what a remarkable engineering feat piston engines are because they are to be admired for their complexity? And a new electric motor might be simple mechanically (which enhances reliability), but you don't realize how much technology goes into the programming and design of the motor controllers. This is also how they can also precisely control the motors for superior traction control. Also, there are full induction motors, permanent magnet motors, brushed BMW motors, hub motors, radial motors, etc. All motors are not the same, and it is awesome seeing the implementation of the different motor technologies.
Trying to control traction on a combustion engine on full boost is almost impossible without modulating the brakes. Electric motor output on the other hand can be controlled instantaneously. Not even close. There are so many things that an electric motor does so well, it really makes a piston engine seem prehistoric. Just look at the specs on the Lucid Motor Sports 70.5lb drive train:
"
Lucid Motorsports electric drive unit for motorsports: This drive unit weighs 70.5 lbs (32 kg) and includes a motor, inverter, differential, and transmission. It produces 469 horsepower and has a maximum rotor speed of 19,500 rpm."

Currently, heavy, low energy density batteries are THE handicap. If there is a breakthrough in battery technology, it will be no contest. Already, some of the quickest times on many tracks including the Nurburgring have been accomplished by the fully electric VW IDR. There are so many advantages to an EV drive train as I discussed. To say that an EV is a one-trick pony would truly be an uneducated statement.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by mirob

That acceleration bit at the end of the video has me intrigued. They're definitely saying all the right things.

It sounds interesting! However, its obviously a split screen, probably just to sync up the driver and passenger smiling.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I think that you are missing the point. A manual transmission is about the feeling, the control and the decision when to shift to adopt a certain style of driving. Is about the human-machine synergy when the machine listen to the driver and the driver knows the limits of the machine.
Slow? Not everything is about speed which in a sinuous road has the same limitations as the manual. The absolute physical involvement in a real “driver’s road” with challenging chicanes is irrepleacable.

All these things can be accomplished with an automatic. You just have to be open to it.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Even A Pilars are rattling.

Don't be silly.
The only thing that will be rattled when you drive a Sapphire is your attachment to ICE cars. That thing is magnificent, if you are into 7-series sized luxury sedans that can beat Bugatti Chiron in 1/4 mile:

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

And awful reliability. BMW should never strive for that.

You have a point - BMW already has the market cornered for those attributes.

Nevertheless, I am willing to give 'da Germans a chance if or when they dare to build a vehicle capable of competing with Lucid / Tesla / BYD Yangwang / Nio EP9 / Xiaomi SU7.

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[DrVenture]

1. A car just beat one of the fastest motorcycles ever produced. Say what?
2. The info on how TC is vastly superior in an EV is super interesting.
3. In what world could anyone have predicted low 9 second luxo-barges 10 years ago?
4. If they can drop the weight of batteries by hundreds of pounds, double the energy density, and halving the charge times, this game is officially over. Solid state, I'm looking at you!
5. For an extra few bucks they'll even simulate the shifting, sound and smell for the "purists", who speak of "soul" and "synergy" while decrying "subjectivism".

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

1. A car just beat one of the fastest motorcycles ever produced. Say what?
2. The info on how TC is vastly superior in an EV is super interesting.
3. In what world could anyone have predicted low 9 second luxo-barges 10 years ago?
4. If they can drop the weight of batteries by hundreds of pounds, double the energy density, and halving the charge times, this game is officially over. Solid state, I'm looking at you!
5. For an extra few bucks they'll even simulate the shifting, sound and smell for the "purists", who speak of "soul" and "synergy" while decrying "subjectivism". lol

The Edmunds U-Drags which takes into consideration: acceleration, cornering, and braking...was dominated by the Maclarens, until the Sapphire turned in a quicker and faster run.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

The Edmunds U-Drags which takes into consideration: acceleration, cornering, and braking...was dominated by the Maclarens, until the Sapphire turned in a quicker and faster run.

And this is early days. I can further envision a lot of room for cost cutting as volume increases and development costs moderate.
I was also surprised to see that the Lucid Air is about the same length as a 5-series.

I am also surprised how affordable the Lucid Air Touring is as a luxury car. Starting at $69,900, AWD 620 HP, claimed 400 mile range, 3.4 sec 0-60. I know very little about them otherwise.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

I’ll have 1 EV M3 lease for 0 down and 600/mo please and thanks

I think those days are over. Shit, I remember guys leasing M4CS's fully loaded for that. At end of lease they owed like 80K though.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by eman4517

I know, I was hoping a 6ish type car, but doesn't look promising. Not to be redundant, but neither did an xDrive M2 and here it comes.

Speaking of 8 series voids. I'm actually going to look at this tomorrow on a whim. Let's see what happens...

https://www.bmwoftenafly.com/invento...z0c06pck39864/

Looks like Skyscraper Grey Metallic with Moonlight Black soft top?

BMW recently stated that US market EV adoption has been a rollercoster, as I find it hard to belive that there will not be any 2 door M model in the future.

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Looks like Skyscraper Grey Metallic with Moonlight Black soft top?

BMW recently stated that US market EV adoption has been a rollercoster, as I find it hard to belive that there will not be any 2 door M model in the future.

yes! but I went with a different one yesterday Frozen Pure Grey Coupe with 5K miles.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

What’s the value prop for this? Dull, lifeless speed is much cheaper with a Tesla.

Speed in an EV is a rarely used party trick - buy a used Porsche manual for infinitely better value retention and fun (for a lower entry price).

This will be yet another overhyped EV flop destined for big dealer discounts.

Not so for this being the M3 that is always in demand. Big variable is how will BMW price the EV vs ICE M3.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by eman4517

yes! but I went with a different one yesterday Frozen Pure Grey Coupe with 5K miles.

Congratulations!

Beautiful machine and excellent decision. You will not get this design, that beautiful cockpit interior with such good materials anymore. The new vehicles are really crappy in all aspects, design (what design?) is terrible, interior is cheap, interior layout consists in a terrible Alibaba screen and console that lacks any shifter...

Enjoy it in good health. I am also considering ordering one of the last M8s or something that will retain the previous interior driver-oriented layout.

Enjoy it in good health!

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Congratulations!

Beautiful machine and excellent decision. You will not get this design, that beautiful cockpit interior with such good materials anymore. The new vehicles are really crappy in all aspects, design (what design?) is terrible, interior is cheap, interior layout consists in a terrible Alibaba screen and console that lacks any shifter...

Enjoy it in good health. I am also considering ordering one of the last M8s or something that will retain the previous interior driver-oriented layout.

Enjoy it in good health!

Thank you, brother! You are so right, unfortunately. I was watching Matt Watson comment on carwow comparing the interiors of the last F90 M5 and the new G90.

The materials and plastics used on the directional and wiper stalks on the steering column an even the paddle shifter alone felt so cheap and flimsy, not even aluminum or carbon fiber. Many are reverting to lightly used or last order banks.

Good luck in your search and best of luck to you whatever you decide on. Cheers🍻

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...r-with-shadow/

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

And this is early days. I can further envision a lot of room for cost cutting as volume increases and development costs moderate.
I was also surprised to see that the Lucid Air is about the same length as a 5-series.

I am also surprised how affordable the Lucid Air Touring is as a luxury car. Starting at $69,900, AWD 620 HP, claimed 400 mile range, 3.4 sec 0-60. I know very little about them otherwise.

I spent hours with a Lucid before buying my i5 M60. Lucid is incredibly well engineered but they are a bit behind in the user experience - bad adaptive cruise compared to DAPP, no park assist, no HUD, no light bar, no sport steering wheel. They have improved greatly in the last year, though. I drove one again this summer. It doesn’t have that slam you into the back of the seat instant torque like the i5, but a gradual ramp up that is just as fast. The BMW is still more fun to drive. But, if the startup I work for has an IPO, I might treat myself to a Sapphire.

[Kevingro0478]

Originally Posted by mirob

That acceleration bit at the end of the video has me intrigued. They're definitely saying all the right things.

Controlling the beast, has me intrigued

[Kevingro0478]

Originally Posted by Dav3

Another M for Marketing video

They try and build this narrative that an EV M3 will blow everyone’s mind, but there’s nothing ground breaking behind it

It will provide the same experience of an e-tron or Taycan turbo, which absolutely isnt a bad metric, but meh

Current EVs are all one single uninspiring formula, extremely fast, instant torque, but generally heavy and not really agile at all

As an appliance they have a purpose and they’re great, but as an enthusiast vehicle, it’s more likely that the scene will die than EVs becoming it’s heart and soul

You just wait and see. Do you even drive a BMW?