[GuidoK]

A lot of you are probably not very familiar with the brand Renault, but they are probably the manufacturer that made the most extreme hot hatches in history. (Mégane Turbo RS 275 Trophy-R and Clio V6 to name a few...)

And look at what they've made now (yes this thing goes into production!), and it's an EV:
The Renault 5 Turbo 3E



This car is absolutely bonkers

They're gonna make 1980 of them, and I'm sure it's gonna be a huge future classic like some of the extreme homologation hot hatches of the 80's (R5 turbo, RS200 etc)
Nice to see that there are still manufacturers that make completely silly cars

540Hp on only the rear wheels in a tiny EV that weighs 1450kg (3200lbs), is crazy wide and has 4800Nm (3540lb-ft) of torque! Not to speak of a ralley/drift style handbrake sticking up next to the steering wheel
(yes I know, starting price is the same as a base 911)

[BlkGS]

Honestly.... I think it's stupid. Making it look like it isn't an EV, with scoops and stuff like the old rally cars is dumb.

I'm sure collectors will snap them all up and most of them won't be driven ever except for a few YouTube videos.

[Murf the Surf]

It's not a turbo though. I hate to nitpick but Porsche did the same thing with the Taycan. It's turbo charged or its not.

[GuidoK]

true, EV's don't have turbo's

[BlkGS]

Give it to me and EVs will fake turbo spooling sounds and power delivery like they do with shifting gears and engine sounds.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

and power delivery like they do with shifting gears and engine sounds.

that Hyundai IoniQ 5 N already does that
Most reviewers liked that I believe.
I mean...if you have to make an EV (and/or buy an EV as a customer because it's lease and your employer demands that...that is more and more common practice here in Europe)....then why not?

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

that Hyundai IoniQ 5 N already does that
Most reviewers liked that I believe.
I mean...if you have to make an EV (and/or buy an EV as a customer because it's lease and your employer demands that...that is more and more common practice here in Europe)....then why not?

That's so weird to me that companies in Europe give you a car.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

That's so weird to me that companies in Europe give you a car.

In the end it's part of your paycheck, albeit on very attractive terms. (you get a tax bill, but in that too, EV's are also very very attractive)
For most jobs/people it's an incentive to apply for a job there. You need a car for your work, and you can use that car for free privately (fuel is paid for too)
The use of that car is seen by the tax department as a form of pay and therefore taxable. The amount of CO2 the car emits determins greatly how high that tax is. EV's used to be tax free, but not anymore, too many people are driving them, so the government looses too much money

Regarding EV's (in my country at least): when new, 99% is bought through corporate lease.

[BlkGS]

Wait they pay for your fuel too? So you could drive all over the continent on vacation and the company would pay for it?

Is this for like, traveling jobs only or is it for people that just commute to their office job too? In the US for travelling jobs they'll sometimes give you a company car, or offer a vehicle stipend, but unless you're an executive if you have an office job that's be unheard of.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Wait they pay for your fuel too? So you could drive all over the continent on vacation and the company would pay for it?

Is this for like, traveling jobs only or is it for people that just commute to their office job too?

Yes, they pay for the fuel too. However I'm not really sure how that goes for EV's. Like maybe they only let you recharge at the company or so. No idea.

It's mostly for travelling jobs, but also sometimes for office jobs. Every job contract/negotiation is different. Like I said it's also a wage benefit. To get the right people to apply.
But there are of course lots of office jobs that also occasionally require travelling.
Is it thàt different in the US?

[FC4]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Is it thàt different in the US?

In the heyday of tech startups in Silicon Valley post Great Recession, a few companies offered Teslas as signing bonuses for top talent. I don't think it's common practice now, but some companies allow for people in certain positions to expense their car payment.

The last bulge bracket I worked for allowed for a lease up to $1000/mo to be expensed. So soon after joining, I picked up a F-Type SVR and put down just enough so the payment squeaked in at $999.74.