[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by MaxA

and also in Albania, Belarus, Moldova. It's 90kmh in Iceland and Andorra. And 80kmh on Malta.

Those countries probably don't have highways in the format most people know them.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Or grandpa that is just lucid enough to keep his license... Because we don't make high risk drivers re-test annually.

In my neck of the world we have driver/license heath checks by local doctors. The failing is they pass grandpa because his on a mouse wheel of prescription drugs and weekly visits to make sure his in trip top condition.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Yeah, no. It's the phones.

The crapbox cars drivers aren't running off the road or slamming into head on drivers in the oncoming lane for no reason other than because they're staring at a screen instead of the road.

Usual play around here is not paying attention. Then at some point preventable disaster strikes. Can't stop in time (brake lights on for a while plenty of warning) or makes a tight angle turn to try and get wheels out of the soft shoulder by the drainage culvert. Sends the car high speed into oncoming traffic or badly rear ends the car in front or spins out /barrel rolls into the trees.

See it literally every day here

maybe to some part,
I see everyday suicide overtaking maneuvers on double whites because people are frustrated following some dick doing 10+ under. Now where to pass, or if so that's where the speed camera is, as the slow pokes don't pull over or refuse to do what 15 people behind them obviously were doing. Then when you strike another slow poke the blood boils. That slow poke can be grandpa or some cash up day dreamer driving a more than capable $100,000+ modern luxury car, but no way they have anything to do with car accident in governance's eyes.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

In the Netherlands the speed limit is 100kph (62mph) for the last few years now....
Due to enviromental reasons.... (at night the speed limit is 120/130kph depending on which highway)

That said, traffic fines in the Netherlands are really high.
Having a phone in your hand while driving: €430 ($500) (excl €9 administration costs)
10mph speeding on the highway: €166 ($193) (again excl €9 administration costs)
etc etc
Lots of camera's everywhere, including hard to spot mobile camera's. Radar detectors are highly illegal and are actively tracked down with anti radar equipment.

This sound very much like Australia, cameras, anti radar etc. 100 is the norm 24/7 with the odd highway 110, but it drops back to 100 for an intersection or some convenient spot for a camera to be parked. Our no seat belt matches you phone, our phone is double.

There has been a growing tend of fewer demerit points taken but higher fines. Seems they don't want the repeat offenders (good payers) off the roads haha.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by jaffles

There has been a growing tend of fewer demerit points taken but higher fines. Seems they don't want the repeat offenders (good payers) off the roads haha.

They are currently talking about lowering the national road speed limit (not highways) from 100 to 80. There goes the only driving fun you can have in this country.

It won’t improve anything. Slower limits cause boredom. Boredom causes fatigue. Fatigue is one of major causes of fatal accidents as they generally involve falling asleep and hitting something without any brakes at all. Often another car.

[E46ZHP2]

All new cars sold in the European Union from 7 July 2024 must have Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) speed limiter tech fitted by law....

Promoted as a road-safety measure by European legislators, ISA is also part of the increasing technology cost-burden facing new car buyers. It uses cameras that recognise speed limit signs, as well as data from GPS and sat-nav systems, to determine the speed limit on any given stretch of road. If the car breaks that limit, a beep or other warning - such as a ‘haptic’ vibration through the steering wheel or accelerator pedal - will alert the driver to the transgression. If a driver doesn’t respond to override the system by braking - or indeed accelerating should circumstances demand it - then the car will slowly reduce power and automatically slow to the limit. Drivers are currently able to turn their ISA speed limiter systems off, but the EU mandate states ISA must automatically reset to ‘on’ every time the vehicle is started.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Davil

They are currently talking about lowering the national road speed limit (not highways) from 100 to 80. There goes the only driving fun you can have in this country.

It won’t improve anything. Slower limits cause boredom. Boredom causes fatigue. Fatigue is one of major causes of fatal accidents as they generally involve falling asleep and hitting something without any brakes at all. Often another car.

indeed and sadly very true. Think at this rate we will end back at the horse and cart so we are all safe. But then you may fall from the cart, so perhaps jusy foot and wheel barrow.

I flew to Sydney to bring home the E93, the 9hrs journey back to Brisbane only has self prepared stops. So you can stretch but there is no food or coffee. Half way at Coffs is your option for refreshments. Seems removing towns or stops so its quicker but then slowing speeds would be very typical of our governance.

I mean its great now its duel lane so slow cars, trucks, caravan are not a problem, just a maximum of 110km/h is. Could easily be 140 but I don't think Australians are cultured into respecting that. Dick heads doing 100 would still sit in the fast lane, and no way a speed camara would ping them for that. Plus there is truth in a previous post old cars are just not up to it. Think the BMW would be the only car out of the other 4 in this house hold that would do 140 happily and safely.

Still I managed to tap 200 in the old girl when the road was clear and open, good fun and doesn't take long for a car made for it to achieve it. But then I remembered they have distance averaging cameras and thought opps.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by jaffles

Still I managed to tap 200 in the old girl when the road was clear and open, good fun and doesn't take long for a car made for it to achieve it. But then I remembered they have distance averaging cameras and thought opps.

They've taken note of your post, too late.

Same thing is ultimately happening in the US, more and more states instituting max speeds for misdemeanor speeding, meaning anything over is a felony.. Typical limit is like 80mph which is much too low for felony speeding. Horse and buggy indeed.

[Brandoch]

If 80 MPH is horse and buggy slow, no wonder why everyone says the G90 M5 is slow.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

They've taken note of your post, too late.

Same thing is ultimately happening in the US, more and more states instituting max speeds for misdemeanor speeding, meaning anything over is a felony.. Typical limit is like 80mph which is much too low for felony speeding. Horse and buggy indeed.

huh how to wish for 80mph, that would be a dream. 68 our max and only then when the road is big enough to transport a submarine along it.

Think the kicker for me is the one sidedness to it all like your stupid, and this acceptance of go as slow as you like because it has no influence on other road users as they should all compensate to be safe.

If a camera can ping you for 7 over why not 7 under.
If a camera can monitor two lanes for speeding, surely it can monitor some clown coasting in the overtaking lane for 150m. Or some guy who's the head of a 4+ car line.
If a camera can monitor you over distance and determine time, then it can determine slow pokes. Stops could be identified via time and void the action.
Why do many cameras exist at the bottom of hills, is that where all the accidents happen? Would have thought the black spots be a better location if we are talking real safety.

Perhaps if anything manufacturers/law makers should pursue some pre drug/alcohol system to allow a car to start. Seems to me many of the high speed car ripped apart, or tragic head ons, or drove into the rear of a parked car are often drug affected.

I worked with a young carpenter who come Friday knockoff, would smoke ice then grab a 6 pack of mixed spirits to head west for 5 hours to go shooting.

I lived next door to a 5ft nothing bald fat mobile heart attack who would shoot speed before hopping into his 60 tone b double truck and head off into the dark.

Its not all phones and its not all speeding.

[ShocknAwe]

I take it you live in Oz. 68 max with speed cameras and a justice system like that sounds awful I'm sorry.