[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by blakepilot

it is my opinion that bmw M makes a far better product all around than amg does.

typical coming from a M owner

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

typical coming from a M owner

why? it's no secret that most M models (we can really include all BMW's, really) handle much better than amg's. amg is all engine, and that's just fine, but for me, i enjoy a car that handles better.

[Blake]

and i have driven virtually all models of both amg and M. i still come to the same conclusion.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by blakepilot

why? it's no secret that most M models (we can really include all BMW's, really) handle much better than amg's. amg is all engine, and that's just fine, but for me, i enjoy a car that handles better.

Originally Posted by blakepilot

and i have driven virtually all models of both amg and M. i still come to the same conclusion.

you say bmw makes a far superior product to merc

to you

others may say differently

i have both a merc and a bmw

my merc has been far less problematic than both my bmws.

also the m division cant seem to make an engine that can measure up to amgs.

some prefer handling, some prefer raw power.

some prefer luxury..some prefer boring interiors

[Blake]

a car for me is how connected i feel to the ride, how personal the experience is. i just don't get that whenever i drive a merc. all the bells and whistles in the world can't make up for the fact that bmw M is a much more fun drive than an amg. the engines in amg's are very impressive, yes. but hauling ass in a straight line is only so much fun. my m3, for example, i think it's the perfect proportion of engine power to how well the car can perform around a circuit. a little more torque would be nice, but too much and the engine power would begin to negate the superior handling characteristics. power slides are fun, noisy, and smell particularly nice, but without traction, you're not going to be peeling off very good lap times.

[MMMazing07]

just because they cant handle doesnt mean their garbage............... i think they make great daily drivers

[MMMazing07]

funny how you say that you enjoy the connected feel to the road..........we drive Z4Ms lol

[Blake]

Originally Posted by MMMazing07

funny how you say that you enjoy the connected feel to the road..........we drive Z4Ms lol

and your point is?.........

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by blakepilot

and your point is?.........

the new m3 are a bit on the chunky side...im not saying mercs are any lighter

i feel like the new m3s are getting further away from what they set out to be

[Blake]

does it still not perform as good if not better than it's predecessor? pretty sure it does...

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by blakepilot

does it still not perform as good if not better than it's predecessor? pretty sure it does...

true...but overall i feel that the e46 was much more of a drivers car

i dont have anything against the new m3...i love it....i just feel that it lost its way

[Blake]

as far as weight is concerned, it is a hefty bitch, but she performs like a champ. the natural progression of modern cars is more weight with more technology. on the other side of things, the Z4M weighs more than a Z3M, and i'm pretty sure it's safe to say the future ZxM model will probably weigh more than a Z4M, unless they start making body pieces out of composites or by stopping the furthering of technology. it's just the nature of the beast, unfortunately.

[duyh]

the clk63 black is handles hella good and thats a merc

[guarnibl]

There's no question that the AMG depreciates faster than any M.

That being said -- that's what leases are for Let them take the risk. When looking at the residuals, it would appear that BMW and Mercedes think the two depreciate at a much closer rate than probably what will happen.

I could have gotten the C63 AMG and it would have been cheaper. But I didn't -- the M is more of a track car, which is what I was looking for -- (if comparing the two) but still practical.

If I would have been in the market for a Sedan, I would have gone for the CTS-V, or the C63 (depending, based on driving them). Probably would have swayed towards the C63... so gorgeous.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

true...but overall i feel that the e46 was much more of a drivers car

i dont have anything against the new m3...i love it....i just feel that it lost its way

i love how the M coupe transforms in the upper ends of the tach. as soon as the needle swings past 4k the noise just completely changes. i miss that from the old M3.