[M5Rick]

It happens,I've seen vids of chaps in cars like honda Accords mistaking the brake for gas pedal and going through walls, gardens and even into swimming pools.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It happens,I've seen vids of chaps in cars like honda Accords mistaking the brake for gas pedal and going through walls, gardens and even into swimming pools.

Yep, especially if you're not familiar with the car.

[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

What an absolute idiot. Blaming the placement of the gas and brake pedals. First off, if he did accidentally hit the gas rather than the brake pedal (which is a ridiculous excuse), he had to have been well over the speed limit before that alleged event occurred, otherwise he should have been able to recover before crashing IMO. I wonder what Hyundai(Genesis) is thinking about him right now.

So let me get this straight, Tiger was peacefully driving along at the posted speed limit, needed to brake, and ended up mashing the gas pedal down at 99% and holding it there until his Hyundai SUV sped up from 40...to 50...to 60...to 70...to 80...That must have taken what, 6 seconds? Good thing Tiger plays golf and not baseball with reaction times like that.

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Wonder if his car insurance carrier dropped him

Drivers, here in California, can buy a surety bond to the state, for about $35,000. Not sure about other states.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yep, especially if you're not familiar with the car.

Not familiar with the car? You're kidding, right? It has a gas pedal and a brake pedal, usually located in the same position unless I'm missing something.

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by DETRoadster

So let me get this straight, Tiger was peacefully driving along at the posted speed limit, needed to brake, and ended up mashing the gas pedal down at 99% and holding it there until his Hyundai SUV sped up from 40...to 50...to 60...to 70...to 80...That must have taken what, 6 seconds? Good thing Tiger plays golf and not baseball with reaction times like that.

And on top of that, he will turn around and make a commercial for a Hyundai SUV, and make bank. Cha-Ching!

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by rwheels

And on top of that, he will turn around and make a commercial for a Hyundai SUV, and make bank. Cha-Ching!

No way, not gonna happen after this cluster f***.

[DETRoadster]

At the risk of sounding political...If Tiger keeps it up about the bad design of the Hyundai being at fault here I wonder if Hyundai will go straight Dominion on his ass.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by DETRoadster

At the risk of sounding political...If Tiger keeps it up about the bad design of the Hyundai being at fault here I wonder if Hyundai will go straight Dominion on his ass.

LOL. Is Sidney Powell representing Tiger?

[Efthreeoh]

Let me just ask. As BMW enthusiasts, can you ever remember for a public incident involving balling up a BMW, the cause of the accident was poor pedal design or floor mat interference with the controls?

I can't.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Wonder if his car insurance carrier dropped him

After his last few wrecks, he's probably insured with Lloyd's of London. Under their "Dumbass" Umbrella policy...

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Let me just ask. As BMW enthusiasts, can you ever remember for a public incident involving balling up a BMW, the cause of the accident was poor pedal design or floor mat interference with the controls?

I can't.

Last century ('82-'87) Audi had a terrible spell when a poor pedal design accusation was leveled at them. It hurt them badly.
I think Audi beat it in court eventually.

"Audi contended, prior to findings by outside investigators that the problems were caused by driver error, specifically pedal misapplication.[36] Subsequently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the majority of unintended acceleration cases, including all the ones that prompted the 60 Minutes report, were caused by driver error such as confusion of pedals.[41] CBS did not acknowledge the test results of involved government agencies, but did acknowledge the similar results of another study." Wiki

Murf

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We think he intended to brake, but hit the gas instead........thus, blaming Hyundai for the design/placement. Such nonsense!

According to Yahoo Sports:

"In a news conference Wednesday, law enforcement said that data recordings from the car show that Woods did not brake prior to the accident but did press on the accelerator at a "99 percent" rate. Lomita Captain James Powers said investigators believe Woods accidentally hit the accelerator instead of the brake. The final estimated speed when Woods' vehicle struck a tree was 75 mph."

I'm not sure what made Captain Powers "believe" Tiger accidentally hit the accelerator? Tiger said himself that he didn't recall the incident.

Tiger is a top level professional athlete playing a sport that requires excellent body coordination. I don't buy this 'accidentally hit the accelerator" crap. Maybe if he were a 80 year old accountant, but not a top tier professional golfer. If they blame this on the car, Hyundai better take this to the courts.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

According to Yahoo Sports:

"In a news conference Wednesday, law enforcement said that data recordings from the car show that Woods did not brake prior to the accident but did press on the accelerator at a "99 percent" rate. Lomita Captain James Powers said investigators believe Woods accidentally hit the accelerator instead of the brake. The final estimated speed when Woods' vehicle struck a tree was 75 mph."

I'm not sure what made Captain Powers "believe" Tiger accidentally hit the accelerator? Tiger said himself that he didn't recall the incident.

Tiger is a top level professional athlete playing a sport that requires excellent body coordination. I don't buy this 'accidentally hit the accelerator" crap. Maybe if he were a 80 year old accountant, but not a top tier professional golfer. If they blame this on the car, Hyundai better take this to the courts.

The only way I can see this happening is:
Tiger was speeding & not paying attention. He glanced up, saw imminent disaster coming, and stamped down hard on the brake.
OOPS! He hit the accelerator hard instead....

Murf

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

According to Yahoo Sports:

"[COLOR="Blue"]In a news conference Wednesday, law enforcement said that data recordings from the car show that Woods did not brake prior to the accident but did press on the accelerator at a "99 percent" rate. Lomita Captain James Powers said investigators believe Woods accidentally hit the accelerator instead of the brake. The final estimated speed when Woods' vehicle struck a tree was 75 mph.[/COLOR]"

I'm not sure what made Captain Powers "believe" Tiger accidentally hit the accelerator? Tiger said himself that he didn't recall the incident.

Tiger is a top level professional athlete playing a sport that requires excellent body coordination. I don't buy this 'accidentally hit the accelerator" crap. Maybe if he were a 80 year old accountant, but not a top tier professional golfer. If they blame this on the car, Hyundai better take this to the courts.

Captain Powers didn't investigate the incident. Our Traffic Services Detail investigated the incident and pulled the black box (...which is in every car made since the early 90's until now). The black box details acceleration, yaw, steering angle and everything else. Either Wood's purposely mashed the accelerator or he did so accidentally [instead of activating the brakes] when he realized he couldn't navigate the turn. At that point we looked at the information obtained from the black box and given Wood's lack of recollection, we can only speculate. The people closest to the investigation (...two whom I met with yesterday) have the opinion he was impaired, but since none of our DRE's (...which I will be soon) officially put Wood's through the paces, it's all opinion.

[Littlebear]

Is the black box the property of the car owner, and needs their OK before being investigated?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Is the black box the property of the car owner, and needs their OK before being investigated?

No.

[Fly320s]

Why didn't a DRE conduct a sobriety test, or whatever?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Why didn't a DRE conduct a sobriety test, or whatever?

I wasn't at the scene, but there are only two answers:

• The official answer: The DRE's on scene didn't observe any behaviors that would lead them to believe Wood's was significantly impaired enough to conduct any sobriety tests.
• The alternative answer: The powers that be told them directly or indirectly to stand down and not go looking if it wasn't obvious.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Wonder if his car insurance carrier dropped him

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Doubt it. He's Tiger Woods.

Unless there is a law against it where he lives, he is wealthy enough to self-insure. I know I would if I had his kind of paper.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

What an absolute idiot. Blaming the placement of the gas and brake pedals. First off, if he did accidentally hit the gas rather than the brake pedal (which is a ridiculous excuse), he had to have been well over the speed limit before that alleged event occurred, otherwise he should have been able to recover before crashing IMO. I wonder what Hyundai(Genesis) is thinking about him right now.

Not really.

Let me share with you what happened to me this weekend. I typically wear driving moccasins when driving the M6. Well...since I had a date (and a hot one might I add ), I was wearing normal dress shoes. The ledge of my dress shoe caught the underside, right edge of the brake pedal for a micro-second and the car lurched forward about a foot or two. This is a car I have tracked for thousands of laps and hit about 190mph on many occasions and a simple change like that caused me, a very experienced driver, to make an error. It isn't stupidity.

Driving is about 70% muscle memory and 30% acute awareness for experienced drivers in their own cars. When any variable changes anything can happen.

A reminder of what big American Feet on little foreign car pedals can result in:

https://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/...-acceleration/

[mahalom3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I wasn't at the scene, but there are only two answers:

• The official answer: The DRE's on scene didn't observe any behaviors that would lead them to believe Wood's was significantly impaired enough to conduct any sobriety tests.
• The alternative answer: The powers that be told them directly or indirectly to stand down and not go looking if it wasn't obvious.

Also due to the severity of his injuries and his status is first get him to the hospital. All you could do is have a blood nurse 87 the hospital then get consent from him for a blood draw.