G87 M2 will have manual and automatic transmission, CF roof, options like M3/M4

swagon · 05-21-2021, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deceptiv-cs

None of it matters if it’s ugly- getting made in Mexico will be enough of an obstacle to get over. It would be interesting to compare build qualities of the two plants.

It doesn't matter where the plant, a brand new one at that, is located.

buckybadger · 05-21-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deceptiv-cs

None of it matters if it’s ugly- getting made in Mexico will be enough of an obstacle to get over. It would be interesting to compare build qualities of the two plants.

Mehico cars will be of same quality as the fatherland.

GerryM5 · 05-21-2021, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

From yesterday's update to Future BMW model info thread.

G87 M2 will be available with a manual and an automatic.
Most options will be the same as G80/G82, and I don't see much of that decontenting that was done with the original F87 compared with F80/F82. Though ceramic brakes and bucket seats seem to be missing, all the drivetrain and suspension things are the same as G82, and even carbon roof will be an option.
The wheels will be 19" front and 20" rear, G87 specific design.
The first four months of its production will fall into the "M 50th anniversary" period so expect the initial run to become somewhat collectible.
And the new dashboard will be standard from day one.

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Originally Posted by RugbyBro

My predictions:

- Faster, a lot faster
- Way more capable
- Adaptive suspension available
- More insulated, comfortable, less "go-kart"
- Uglier than its predecessor, but more "traditional" looking than G22, G8X, or I4

[IMG]https://cdn-motor1-com.cdn.ampprojec...rendering.webp[/IMG]

This recipe with the dashboard shown below would be 👌. Where can I place a pre-order now for this version of the future?

I'm driving a 228 loaner now and the dash looks exactly like this photo. iMHO, I hate the layout and the smaller display. As a retired designer, the human factors are worse than the current M2C. Felt inexpensive if I'm being kind.

PARTS@STBMW · 05-21-2021, 06:46 PM

Very cool!

M2PDX · 05-21-2021, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by swagon

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

They are doing it because the DCT has reached its limits handling horsepower.

stein_325i · 05-21-2021, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by M2PDX

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Originally Posted by swagon

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

They are doing it because the DCT has reached its limits handling horsepower.

Not so sure when the previous M5 and M6 offered more power with both a stick and DCT.

To me it purely seems based on a couple things, 1) Cost 2) Streamlining of parts 3) Expansion of M buyers outside of enthusiasts who don't know/care for a DCT.

Jockey · 05-21-2021, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by M2PDX

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Originally Posted by swagon

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

They are doing it because the DCT has reached its limits handling horsepower.

The DCT was handling M5 levels of power.

It can deal just fine with M2/3/4 levels

EXE46 · 05-21-2021, 09:06 PM

There's plenty of crap box cars with DCT standard that aren't marketed to enthusiasts either so I don't buy that argument. M3 has long strayed away from being a car for just enthusiasts. It's a car for who can afford one, same for the 911.

Plenty of deep pocketed individuals buy these cars just because they project a certain image and status. There's manual buy it or get the automatic. DCT was never a substitute for people who are hardcore enthusiasts anyway. Notice the manual is not being sacrificed.

JustChris · 05-22-2021, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheoIam

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Originally Posted by as7920

Which is both ridiculous and a shame at the same time. As there is car, the M240i xDrive that sits below it and an M3 xDrive that sits above it. Making it an outcast/black sheep.

I for one would spec it.

I don't know how BMW is going to keep the M240i G series with Xdrive and 380ish hp from beating the rear wheel drive only G series M2 in stop light race.

I guess our comparison currently should be the M340i and M3

KoenG · 05-22-2021, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bee500

Wonder if there will ever be a new version of a DCT. Gonna miss the drama of those gear changes.

Of course not, the century of ICE has passed an no BEV needs a transmission. Why would they still invest millions in already outphased tech?

MadBimmeRad · 05-22-2021, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JustChris

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Originally Posted by TheoIam

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Originally Posted by as7920

Which is both ridiculous and a shame at the same time. As there is car, the M240i xDrive that sits below it and an M3 xDrive that sits above it. Making it an outcast/black sheep.

I for one would spec it.

I don't know how BMW is going to keep the M240i G series with Xdrive and 380ish hp from beating the rear wheel drive only G series M2 in stop light race.

I guess our comparison currently should be the M340i and M3

For what it is, I think the M340i is a very capable, and thankfully not a terrible looking car

Fedie · 05-22-2021, 08:04 AM

I wonder if there's a third seatbelt in the back

10" · 05-22-2021, 10:13 AM

They're moving further away
from what made the 1M so special
and in turn what made the OG M2
also special—-more focused and
LESS options not more.

the more stuff they add, it means
the further away it is getting from
it's more simple and raw roots...

Unfortunate IMO.

///M TOWN · 05-22-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedie

I wonder if there's a third seatbelt in the back

I highly doubt it

M4 probably has it

fanofbmwe46 · 05-22-2021, 11:40 AM

Anyone know what the starting price will be for the G87 6spd? Base model with no options? $63Kish?

gmd2003 · 05-22-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by M2PDX

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Originally Posted by swagon

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

They are doing it because the DCT has reached its limits handling horsepower.

That is 100% false , Ford GT500 , AMG GTR pro , AMG black series , corvette Z06 , Zr-1, every Porsche , etc etc . 😂

///M TOWN · 05-22-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

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Originally Posted by M2PDX

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Originally Posted by swagon

They did it because of the M xDrive and lower costs. Not to mention we've got people on this forum complaining about the DCT in traffic so, yeah.

They are doing it because the DCT has reached its limits handling horsepower.

That is 100% false , Ford GT500 , AMG GTR pro , AMG black series , corvette Z06 , Zr-1, every Porsche , etc etc . 😂

They're not all made by the same manufacturer

Porsche PDK makes BMW MDCT seem like old stuff by comparison

Game · 05-22-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

Anyone know what the starting price will be for the G87 6spd? Base model with no options? $63Kish?

We're way too far away from answering that. We'll see the M240 first and then we can sort of get a rough idea there.

fanofbmwe46 · 05-22-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Game

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Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

Anyone know what the starting price will be for the G87 6spd? Base model with no options? $63Kish?

We're way too far away from answering that. We'll see the M240 first and then we can sort of get a rough idea there.

We can probably base it off of the G80 though right? Entry price should be about X% below it... likely similar to the F87 vs F80?

Fugly M3 · 05-22-2021, 07:29 PM

So we can hold out hope for a revitalized ED program and a German built G87!

Tuxedo · 05-22-2021, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by F8SEVEN

So we can hold out hope for a revitalized ED program and a German built G87!

ED is gone as far I know forever

RugbyBro · 05-22-2021, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stein_325i

Not so sure when the previous M5 and M6 offered more power with both a stick and DCT.

To me it purely seems based on a couple things, 1) Cost 2) Streamlining of parts 3) Expansion of M buyers outside of enthusiasts who don't know/care for a DCT.

1000% this. BMW doesn’t want to spend the money to develop a DCT full stop - they have made the decision that ZF8 is good enough for the market they want to sell to and it fits their margins very nicely. It has nothing to do with performance or enthusiasm.

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