[M2 SoCal]

Originally Posted by sacowich

Can’t be as bad as those 13K e bay listings.
If they offer it as stand alone option they should sell them too.

Could look at forums and swap with someone I’ve seen that around. I know a couple people with the manual that hate the nut crusher in the middle everytime they shift their leg gets all weird too because the seat isn’t straight.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

I really like the new colors and the new wheels, but this is NOT an LCI if you ask me.

You’re the eleventy-billionth person to say that over and over again.
BMW is calling it LCI.

Get over it everybody.

[jas165]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

You’re the eleventy-billionth person to say that over and over again.
BMW is calling it LCI.

Get over it everybody.

Where did you see BMW call it an LCI?

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by SFBavarianArea

177 mph cutoff is a super exact number…wonder what’s behind it? Tire capability? Vmax (aerodynamics) ? Or just making sure it doesn’t overtake big brother M3?

It is actually 285km/h if you get the M Drivers Package (250km/h otherwise), just that 177mph is the closest conversion in mph. Same speed limiters as the other M-cars. BMW, MB and Audi had gentleman's agreements some years ago with TUV in Germany to put speed limiters on their cars for Autobahn use to try and stave off more rigid enforcement.

[TargaM2]

The SPyellow is gorgeous, definitely the #1 choice imo.

[Digitalprty]

Originally Posted by Autobahn SoCal

Some pics, I’m not normally a São Paulo yellow guy, but damn that looks good with silver wheels and will have insane road presence. What’s your favorite?

I’ve never liked the São Paulo yellow on any other car before, but for some reason it looks great here. Maybe my opinion will change later.

Regardless, I’m happy with my Zandvoort blue. Random people love the color too. Even more than the car itself, it seems.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

The speed limit is not set by TUV. There are no limits set by the government. I believe it serves two purposes: 1- better control the speed since the M2 may be a bit more unstable at high speeds compared to its larger brothers, and 2- not to surpass its larger brothers top speed.
The M2’s top speed is lower than the M3 and M5.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/g...sir-47736.html

TUV seemed to be under pressure some decades ago to limit speeds on the Autobahn, so speed limiters self-imposed by the major performance car German manufacturers at 250km/h staved off any possible legislation.

Tyres in the past have been a problem, but most decent summer tyres are now Y-rated at 300km/h.

Without the M Drivers Package the M-Cars have the same 250km/h speed limiter.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

We weren’t talking about the regular 250. 250km/h has been a speed manufacturers in Germany have agreed to keep most of their cars to for years now. Most BMWs will be limited to 250, including M2s without the M driver’s package.

But because this isn’t a rule, they go out of this agreement for special cases.
Porsche thinks all their cars are special cases, so all reach higher speeds, as it’s part of the essence of their cars, being sports cars.

M cars with the M drivers package go as follows in terms of governed top speed:

M2: 285 Km/h
M3: 290 Km/h
M5: 305 Km/h

I’m sure the manufacturers will still limit the “special cases” though and not push too many cars too high, otherwise the German politicians will weigh-in, as the public sentiment is now towards imposing Autobahn speed limits: https://www.dw.com/en/german-highway...els/a-68911999

The largest driving factor overall seems to be political in setting the speed limiters, as opposed to technical.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

What politics do you reckon were involved in determining the M2 should only go to 285 Km/h and the M3 to 290 Km/h?

I mean, in determining the difference between the 2 cars.

Likely just the big picture of not pushing things too far with too many cars, so those paying more money will get a little more. There is nothing in the drivetrain that the M2 is limited to vs the M3 and from my background in aerodynamics, the M2 actually is likely to have better high speed stability due to the more gradual rear roofline. No technical reason for the speed difference I can see.

[MG20i]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Wouldn’t a longer wheelbase help make the car safer at higher speeds, as it’ll be less twitchy and less quick to change direction, which would make it more inclined to higher speeds?

That is literally the M4 isn't it?

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Wouldn’t a longer wheelbase help make the car safer at higher speeds, as it’ll be less twitchy and less quick to change direction, which would make it more inclined to higher speeds?

I don’t think 0.1m is enough to make that much difference that would require a different speed limiter.

At 210km/h on track, the M3 comp, M4 comp and M2 (auto) all had similar stability in a straight line when I drove them, M2 had slightly better turn-in due to the shorter wheelbase and slightly different spring/damper tuning, but nothing that affected stability.

The M2 also had more resilient brakes compared with the AWD cars on steel brakes with their extra weight, so that characteristic would point towards having a higher speed limiter from a technical perspective.

[MG20i]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

The yellow looks surprisingly nice. For me though it is coming down to Voodoo Blue or Twilight Purple.

Voodoo or Twilight Purple for me as well. 👍

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Yes, that’s why I think it has to do with length (look at the M5 and its much higher top speed) and what you are also saying, that the M2 cannot have a higher top speed than the M3 as it’s a car in a higher class. So not public politics per se, but a product positioning decision.

The marketing decision may be the most likely, but without the “gentleman’s agreement” with TUV, there really isn’t any reason to have a limiter on any of the cars if fitted with Y or (Y) rated tyres, the more powerful cars with the best aerodynamics would then naturally have a higher top speed.

The M2 in 2023/24 form should be capable of around 305km/h top speed.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by MG20i

Voodoo or Twilight Purple for me as well. 👍

what are you leaning towards. I keep going back and forth.

[MG20i]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

what are you leaning towards. I keep going back and forth.

Twilight is my favorite I think. It may come down to which ine looks best with the interior choice. If we had a brown option still it would be brown regardless. Since cognac seems gone, we will see what the interior stitching color options are.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by MG20i

Twilight is my favorite I think. It may come down to which ine looks best with the interior choice. If we had a brown option still it would be brown regardless. Since cognac seems gone, we will see what the interior stitching color options are.

We know what the interior stitching options are.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ourlee

It looks slimmer to me, can anyone who has the wheel on a different car confirm?

Looks the same to me

Might be the Alcantara has a different appearance giving that impression

[evdoho]

I was originally team voodoo, but have since switched to team Grigio. I feel like I’ll be happier in the long term with Grigio as a daily driver. Plus it lend itself to a more cohesive build, without mixing so many colors.

[kenairways]

Originally Posted by Digitalprty

2023 did, but 2024 did not.

Wtf? Lol that’s weird.

[baj_baj]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Wouldn’t a longer wheelbase help make the car safer at higher speeds, as it’ll be less twitchy and less quick to change direction, which would make it more inclined to higher speeds?

The car is plenty stable at top speed, mine tops out at 293km/h, and you feel it when you hit the limiter, the car has enough revs and power to push over 300

[86zccrx]

Originally Posted by Digitalprty

2023 did, but 2024 did not.

I wonder if it really will have the rear controls as I believe even the LCI M4 doesn't anymore.

[clydefrog]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

I wonder if it really will have the rear controls as I believe even the LCI M4 doesn't anymore.

It's called out in their press release as coming back

Standard equipment for the new BMW M2 also includes three-zone automatic climate control, ambient lighting, a Harman Kardon surround sound system, and the BMW Live Cockpit Plus with BMW Maps navigation system.