[Carefree]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Read the thread ^^

Not gonna do the work for you.

There are not “lots” as you said. Very few in fact.

You posted this misleading statement once before without any substantiation.

It’s unfair to both current and prospective buyers of 1500 pads to read false posts such as yours.

[BroDoze]

Sounds like you’re coming at this with an agenda. Did you buy the 1500s and are now defending them with your life? We’re all reading the same information.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Sounds like you’re coming at this with an agenda. Did you buy the 1500s and are now defending them with your life? We’re all reading the same information.

No agenda. I’m an owner who senses no performance difference between them and OEM save much less dust. That is my position, not a defense.

If you had read the entire thread thoroughly you would already know this from a number of my posts.

Once again there are very few owners who notice a difference. Do the math.

Believe what choose.
Out.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Marketing. Lots of 1500 users saying they gave up some performance, but a lot of them say it was worth it for the lack of dust.
Personally, I don’t want to give up ANY performance whatsoever.

Agreed...if it weren't for the lesser dust, isweep would be swept away. One word in response, G-i-r-o-d-i-s-c.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Agreed...if it weren't for the lesser dust, isweep would be swept away. One word in response, G-i-r-o-d-i-s-c.

Which Girodisc pads would you recommend? I just went to their site and they have different types.

[BroDoze]

Not only is there less dust, but it’s not the sticky caked-on stuff, according to owners.

Does Girodisc advertise less dust? Or just crazy high performance?

[Carefree]

It’s my understanding when metallic brake pads (G87 and other M cars) heat, the metallic particles escaping from the rotor's surface acquire a static charge causing the dark metallic dust to glom on to our steel/alloy wheels.


iSweep 1500 are ceramic hence less dust.

Per the installer of my 1500 pads.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Which Girodisc pads would you recommend? I just went to their site and they have different types.

Their Magic Pads are definitely low dust but not high end performance...however they no longer make them gor the G8X platform.

They will have a new pad coming out, which should or hopefully be at any time, which are the best of both worlds being performance and lower dust.

They should be available before you get your car.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Not only is there less dust, but it’s not the sticky caked-on stuff, according to owners.

Does Girodisc advertise less dust? Or just crazy high performance?

They have multiple lines of pads....with that said, they currently don't have any available pads for the G8X platform.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by Carefree

It’s my understanding when metallic brake pads (G87 and other M cars) heat, the metallic particles escaping from the rotor's surface acquire a static charge causing the dark metallic dust to glom on to our steel/alloy wheels.


iSweep 1500 are ceramic hence less dust.

Per the installer of my 1500 pads.

Yes, the iSweep 1500s are a very light color seemingly indicating lack of metal. If you look at their higher-performance models the color gets darker.

[DarkNight707]

Got the iSweep 2000 installed today. First impression as pressing the brake for the first time: very soft… and had to press the pedal a longer distance to get the same stopping reaction as OEM. Drove about 60 miles (combination of freeway and surface streets). The soft feel remains… is this normal?

[MineralGreyMetallic]

Originally Posted by DarkNight707

Got the iSweep 2000 installed today. First impression as pressing the brake for the first time: very soft… and had to press the pedal a longer distance to get the same stopping reaction as OEM. Drove about 60 miles (combination of freeway and surface streets). The soft feel remains… is this normal?

That's pretty consistent with some experiences that are in the G80 thread already posted.

It's a bummer to hear. The stock pads are dusty and noisy for a reason.

Are you gonna go back to OEM or stick with them?

[DarkNight707]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

That's pretty consistent with some experiences that are in the G80 thread already posted.

It's a bummer to hear. The stock pads are dusty and noisy for a reason.

Are you gonna go back to OEM or stick with them?

Too early do make a decision. I will drive some more and see if it gets better. I am really curious of those saying these feel just like OEM. Not to me, it feels like a different car which is a dissapointment.

[BroDoze]

r33_RGSport

Any input? You’re the sole importer of these is2000 pads. Why the inconsistent reports?

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by M2siast

To be fair, there are inconsistent reports about every thing on a stock car (the manual is rubbery/great, the auto is fast/slow-boring, the tires are great/rubbish, you can’t feel the weight/yes you can, the brakes feel great/they feel disconnected, it sounds great/it sounds horrible, yada yada yada).

The only mistake people make is listening to other people’s opinions to form their own.

And, as I mentioned about the compromise: who thinks a brake pad can do all that the stock pad can do but emit less brake dust? Surely some do…
You want less dust? Great, sign off on losing something. That’s usually how it goes. Some are happy with that trade off. Some are not. It’s how life goes.

Not sure how the seller will respond, as there are also so many variables to installation/bedding-in procedure, state of rotors at pad swap, human feel. Very subjective.

Well said.

Originally Posted by BroDoze

r33_RGSport

Any input? You’re the sole importer of these is2000 pads. Why the inconsistent reports?

As M2siast put it.
Generally is that.

Your rotors condition, miles on the car, your tolerance in brake pedal sensitivity, and so on.

A friend who said that a certain restaurant is the best doesn’t makes it the best for me.

But, in overall, many are happy with iSweep.
I get many thanks and even repeat customers.
Also, I am having a hard time keeping them in stock.

[BroDoze]

r33_RGSport is there any official break-in / bedding process from either iSweep or you? In my case, I’ll have brand new rotors (like 1-2 PDI miles).

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

r33_RGSport is there any official break-in / bedding process from either iSweep or you? In my case, I’ll have brand new rotors (like 1-2 PDI miles).

For IS1500 and IS2000, just install and drive normally.

[Ronin76]

251 total posts for brake pads...wow

[CarsRFun!]

I have been doing tons of research for all kinds of issues, items, etc,
for my M2. I am a car guy and have done many mechanical swaps,
changes, upgrades, etc, over my many years of owning a ton of cars, trucks, and SUV's.

So I believe there are other brands of proper brake pads out there.
Ceramics are one material that is very doable for street cars. After installing and initial "burn in" up and down the street at different speeds as the instructions lay out, then you are good to go. Ceramics have great bite, no squeal and no dusting. Have used them on 6 piston Brembos on my Mustang. Yes, the original pads dusted. Why???..."cause hi perf. cars come with pads using compounds that dust. And yes, it's the pads that dust. The type of rotor can speed up the wear and "dusting issues"....but, the pads are shedding their material....that's the dusting! End of story....IMHO. My 2 best friends are ASE Master Techs and one was a Serv. Mgr for awhile. They agree with me 100%. IF they didn't, believe me they would tell me!!! We are open and honest especially when discussing the car world.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by Ronin76

251 total posts for brake pads...wow

Shows you how much owners hate the OEM dust issue!

[CarsRFun!]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Shows you how much owners hate the OEM dust issue!

Probably THE most hated issue. I had a talk with Bimmerworld
sales guy learning more. One of the key issues I'm learning about
is the MANY types of brake set ups that can be had on many of the
BMW vehicles. I had some Hawk ceramics picked out, but, after
talking to the "expert" there they were not correct for a base G87
M2. What he did say...first, most all employees there drive some
model of a BMW. MOST are street driven. What brand ceramic
brakes did they put on their BMW's?? DFC 5000. And I asked him
what is the feedback. He said they all liked them with no complaints,
for the quality of these "street designed" ceramics. What shocked me was how inexpensive they are.
I asked about that...he laughed. He said I know the old saying "if it's really inexpensive it must not be good quality."
Well, DFC buys in large bulk quantities thus keeping costs down.
And he said the brakes do what they say and what you expect of them.
IF all the employees didn't like them, you know they'd be switching them out....with their obvious discounts and the
fact they are easy to change.

So, I'm close to pulling the trigger on these. Front pads....$89.00.
Rears....$43.60. I know...there will be many who question the quality, etc. Just like i did. But, I also looked up the brake pads, the company, and all info I could find out there. It appears they are damn good street ceramic brakes. NOT for autocross or track at all, and they say that.

He said Hawk doesn't make ceramics for street driven G87 M2's, which I thought was strange. But, he said he expects them fairly soon.
With the relative ease of installing them and I didn't like them....not much invested. I'll find something else. 1. They might take them back....?? 2. They may just end up being just fine for running the streets.

And if they work out like I'm hoping they will, I'll consider it a WIN since the cost is so affordable.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

r33_RGSport

Any input? You’re the sole importer of these is2000 pads. Why the inconsistent reports?

You're right, there's no free lunch. Most people are just not that discerning or don't drive in the conditions that show the differences.

I've tried maybe 15 different brake pad compounds on various cars over the past 20 years. Other than effort to reduce metal in mixes for regulatory compliance, there's not much innovation going on. Some of the oldest aftermarket compounds are still competitive. Overall, there is a strong trend between dusting and initial bite.

The idea that a "new" pad, based on the same raw materials available to everyone else, can come out and do all the things with zero sacrifices is ludicrous. The big friction guys like TMD Group, Akebono, etc. have tons of engineers and big R&D budgets. They are not giving you dusty and noisy pads for zero reason. Most aftermarket pads will not pass ECE-R90 tests. A tiny Japanese company that appears to be a tuner white labeling parts mfg by someone else has not cracked the code of physics unfortunately. Even Endless and Ferodo, some of the most widely respected manufacturers of friction material, do not have a pad that will both bite like OEM and have low dust.

Again, these pads may be awesome for this car, but one should expect some tradeoffs.