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      07-07-2021, 03:16 AM   #243
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I wonder if this is the replacement of my aging M3.
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      07-07-2021, 03:17 AM   #244
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The rear lights look weird, front is bland..
Interior much nicer than current generation.

I don't like it but I think I will like the M-version. It's the same for me with the current gen, the M2 looks great, the "regular ones" are bland..
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I think if you want a new sports coupe in 2021+ the only real choice is Nissan 400Z.
Nissan is a sinking ship with no hope

To buy a Nissan is a really bad idea

Don't expect it to hold it's value

And Nissan service is awful
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      07-07-2021, 03:37 AM   #246
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FYI It's already up in the BMW UK configurator
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      07-07-2021, 03:42 AM   #247
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Nissan is a sinking ship with no hope

To buy a Nissan is a really bad idea

Don't expect it to hold it's value

And Nissan service is awful
+1 to that

Nissan is a downright terrible brand. Has been for decades. There wasn't a single car worth buying after the r34.

Nissan is headed the Mitsubishi route. Won't be long before it's dead.
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Looks great, love it from all angles. Couldn't have asked for more, well done BMW. With a few minor cosmetic mods it will look even better. Can't wait for the M2, in RWD stick shift format.
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+1 to that

Nissan is a downright terrible brand. Has been for decades. There wasn't a single car worth buying after the r34.

Nissan is headed the Mitsubishi route. Won't be long before it's dead.
Nissan owns 33% of Mitsubishi

They are both dying a quick death

You're completely right about the GT-R
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FYI It's already up in the BMW UK configurator
Notice the M sport pro pack features bodycoloured fender extensions too.

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This article sums it up nicely:

https://www.motor1.com/news/518516/2...ries-revealed/

The proportions and stance of the new 2 Series are very nice, but there are details that let the coupe down. For starters, the M240i's front bumper treatment is oddly sharp and geometrical, at odds with the otherwise conventional styling – the 230i is better composed in this regard. And the taillights of both look misshapen, with angular accent lights swimming in a sea of black housing material. And not everyone loves the bulging fenders, particularly the sharp vertical break behind the front wheel.

The 2022 BMW 2 Series has finally done away with its standard manual transmission, with both 230i and M240i models coming exclusively with an eight-speed Steptronic gearbox. That's a real shame, particularly in a car that's supposed to recall the 2002, a holy grail for performance purity. At least it boasts launch control and a "Sprint" function, which switches to the lowest possible gear when after the driver holds the left shift paddle for one second.

The 2022 BMW 2 Series is a bit larger than the vehicle it replaces. The 230i is 4.3 inches longer, 2.6 inches wider, and a full inch lower, resting on a 107.9-inch wheelbase, up 2 from the outgoing car – the M240i is 3.5 inches longer and 0.1-inch lower, with the other increases porting over. The 230i weighs 3,519 pounds, up from 3,386 in the old model, while the M240i xDrive weighs 3,871 pounds (up 352 from its 2021 equivalent).

Yet in spite of those dimensional increases, the new 2 has a bit less headroom, shoulder room, and legroom for both front and rear passengers than its predecessor. The trunk is likewise cut from 13.1 cubic feet to just 10.0 cubes, so folks trading in an old 2 Series should make sure all their stuff will fit in the new one.

We applaud BMW for giving the new 2 Series some styling restraint, with excellent rear-drive proportions and a subdued front grille. The lack of a manual transmission option is sad and there are definitely some confusing design choices, but that likely won't matter to BMW's current clientele, who seem to appreciate exuberance more than classical styling and an involving driving experience. While it might not be the 2002 redux we all dream of, the 2022 BMW 2 Series should still be a hot seller for the company.

Wait, how did you lose leg room, shoulder room, trunk space, head space....and they made the car 4 inches longer and 2.5 inches wider?
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      07-07-2021, 04:26 AM   #253
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Taking into account that the 2 Series (and the old 1 Series coupe) always had kindoff a bulky / bulldog look to it, IMO this new generation is "okay", although I think they could have done better.

I was not expecting a 3 Series dash, but I assume that is to cut costs.
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      07-07-2021, 05:21 AM   #254
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It's interesting to note that there is a default reaction to anything new from BMW. Has everyone become mindless clones that can not look at something new and decide for them selves?

Any BMW nut will tell you BMWs look better in real life than in pictures, it's just true. Yet, no body takes this into account when BMW releases a new car. Odd...
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The UK configurator is on!
https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configure/G42
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      07-07-2021, 05:42 AM   #256
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How the heck does the M240i weigh more than the M4???
more affordable manufacturing as CEO mentioned i.e. cheap materials and higher margins … the m240 should be 3300 lbs or 3450 with xdrive considering tech today. God help m2 …
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      07-07-2021, 06:58 AM   #258
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Like the front, not feeling the rear.
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      07-07-2021, 07:04 AM   #259
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Originally Posted by MarkDemma View Post
This article sums it up nicely:

https://www.motor1.com/news/518516/2...ries-revealed/

The proportions and stance of the new 2 Series are very nice, but there are details that let the coupe down. For starters, the M240i's front bumper treatment is oddly sharp and geometrical, at odds with the otherwise conventional styling – the 230i is better composed in this regard. And the taillights of both look misshapen, with angular accent lights swimming in a sea of black housing material. And not everyone loves the bulging fenders, particularly the sharp vertical break behind the front wheel.

The 2022 BMW 2 Series has finally done away with its standard manual transmission, with both 230i and M240i models coming exclusively with an eight-speed Steptronic gearbox. That's a real shame, particularly in a car that's supposed to recall the 2002, a holy grail for performance purity. At least it boasts launch control and a "Sprint" function, which switches to the lowest possible gear when after the driver holds the left shift paddle for one second.

The 2022 BMW 2 Series is a bit larger than the vehicle it replaces. The 230i is 4.3 inches longer, 2.6 inches wider, and a full inch lower, resting on a 107.9-inch wheelbase, up 2 from the outgoing car – the M240i is 3.5 inches longer and 0.1-inch lower, with the other increases porting over. The 230i weighs 3,519 pounds, up from 3,386 in the old model, while the M240i xDrive weighs 3,871 pounds (up 352 from its 2021 equivalent).

Yet in spite of those dimensional increases, the new 2 has a bit less headroom, shoulder room, and legroom for both front and rear passengers than its predecessor. The trunk is likewise cut from 13.1 cubic feet to just 10.0 cubes, so folks trading in an old 2 Series should make sure all their stuff will fit in the new one.

We applaud BMW for giving the new 2 Series some styling restraint, with excellent rear-drive proportions and a subdued front grille. The lack of a manual transmission option is sad and there are definitely some confusing design choices, but that likely won't matter to BMW's current clientele, who seem to appreciate exuberance more than classical styling and an involving driving experience. While it might not be the 2002 redux we all dream of, the 2022 BMW 2 Series should still be a hot seller for the company.

Wait, how did you lose leg room, shoulder room, trunk space, head space....and they made the car 4 inches longer and 2.5 inches wider?
lol...good point
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A lot of the design compromises, at least in the front, look to be due to all the added safety sensors. It started with the last gen lci where they had to connect the grill for the center front bumper sensor. Now they had to put that hideous triangle shaped sensor at the bottom.
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am I alone in this?
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A few observations:

1) The front over hang is excessive. Here I was knocking Honda for their new goofy looking Civic. This is what happens when you try to fit a sedan chassis to a coupe offering. I suppose the flip side is the longer wheelbase, which will provide a more comfy ride.

2) So this M240i get the Power Dome but not the M3/M4?

3) This gets a traditional grill but M3/M4 go in a totally different direction?

4) I like the Thundernight Metallic and the interior.
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It's interesting to note that there is a default reaction to anything new from BMW. Has everyone become mindless clones that can not look at something new and decide for them selves?

Any BMW nut will tell you BMWs look better in real life than in pictures, it's just true. Yet, no body takes this into account when BMW releases a new car. Odd...
I agree. Although to be fair, a lot of cars look better in person than in pictures. (Also, BMW needs to hire a better press photographer. All of their press photos are terrible, same for the G8x).

What I'm interested in, since BMW's specifically look better in person than in pictures, is how the design process at Munich transpires. Is it a process of revisions and ultimately a "ah yes, this is it.... and yes, we trust it'll look good in person".
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