[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

This review went live an hour ago.

and he also realized , way too late , how the ZF8 is better

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As a casual observer with some interest in the new M2, it's crystal clear that everything predicted has come true:

1) The car is more grown up and M4 like
2) The car is even less like the 1M than the previous generation
3) If you are happy about #1 you will like and agree with the reviews that say as much
4) If you are sad about #2 you will like and agree with the reviews that say as much
5) Whichever side you fall on you will not care about the opposing viewpoints and may even actively make fun of them

The new M2 is exactly what we expected, a 2023 BMW more like their future and not their past. Each person decides if that's what they are looking for. Arguing that one or the other is better or worse is a good way to kill time but ultimately pointless.

[zero21]

My SA is going to slot his car into 4th at 30mph on the way home today and report back to me how it is. Hint: he was laughing his ass off at this.

Edit: M2CS

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by zero21

My SA is going to slot his car into 4th at 30mph on the way home today and report back to me how it is. Hint: he was laughing his ass off at this.

Edit: M2CS

I am betting this will be put to rest afterwards.

[M Division]

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

This review went live an hour ago.

Edit, the first few minutes in and my thoughts are this individual is clearly not a BMW fanboy when he made the comment about the quad exhaust being on a six cylinder. Hmm… the quad exhaust first appeared on a BMW six cylinder. The Z3 M Roadster in fact. The next one was when he stated that his demo car may have been produced in Germany.

Originally Posted by M Division

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

Yep, previously posted just six post up. Come on gang!

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Auto box hides it better with shorter gearing but the issue is lower boost vs m4. Here is card and drivers quote

‘ The main difference is that while the M2 makes the same 406 lb-ft of torque at the same 2650 rpm as the M4's headier tune, its thrust builds more progressively as revs increase. With slightly less turbo boost to manage—17.4 psi versus the base M4's 18.9—it's easier to feed in the power without upsetting the car's hold on the road.’

Which, I assume, Bootmod3 or others will solve in rapid fashion? I haven't followed whether tunes are out for the S58 on other applications (M3/4, X3M)?

Makes a HUGE difference on my F87. Literally transformed the car.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by zero21

Yeah that's the question - load up your M2 to have better performance and smaller car than a base M4, or buy an M4 and grab the extras an M2 can't get: Merino leather, etc.

Choice is clear to me.

In my builds for both the M4 comes out $17k more - not a trifle. I do wish BMW (really most manufacturers) would realize just because you want a lower (smaller) model does not mean you want to give up some of the niceties. I would gladly pay for full Merino leather, forged wheels, etc.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Which, I assume, Bootmod3 or others will solve in rapid fashion? I haven't followed whether tunes are out for the S58 on other applications (M3/4, X3M)?

Makes a HUGE difference on my F87. Literally transformed the car.

Femto is currently the only available true tune (I discount piggybacks as tunes) at this time and for the foreseeable future for G8X (G gen M2/M3/M4 as well as the M240). The ECU needs to be sent off to Finland.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

This review went live an hour ago.

Edit, the first few minutes in and my thoughts are this individual is clearly not a BMW fanboy when he made the comment about the quad exhaust being on a six cylinder. Hmm… the quad exhaust first appeared on a BMW six cylinder. The Z3 M Roadster in fact. The next one was when he stated that his demo car may have been produced in Germany.

This dude rattled off 0-60 in the manual in 4 flat with a high RPM launch. That's wild with the weight and cast rollers.

This was a great driving experience video. Really appreciated his feedback.

[Game]

Haven't seen Carwow's posted

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by Game

Haven't seen Carwow's posted

already posted aswel

[donm527]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

already posted aswel

Yeah about... 61 posts ago??

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Game

Haven't seen Carwow's posted

Thought I saw it posted in another thread (could be wrong and have review confusion/illusion/dilusion on the brain).

[Game]

Originally Posted by donm527

Yeah about... 61 posts ago??

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

already posted aswel

Yeah easily missed without the preview so I'll keep my post up.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

In my builds for both the M4 comes out $17k more - not a trifle. I do wish BMW (really most manufacturers) would realize just because you want a lower (smaller) model does not mean you want to give up some of the niceties. I would gladly pay for full Merino leather, forged wheels, etc.

Ditto. The lowest spec I could live with in the M4 is 81k + dealer OTD stuff - precisely 13k over what I'm paying. Not a deal breaker at this price point, but no value proposition with the M2 now out.

If I wanted a true GT and comfort, I would absolutely get the M4. This is supposed to be for me exactly what it is, slightly more "sporty".

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Thought I saw it posted in another thread (could be wrong and have review confusion/illusion/dilusion on the brain).

Yes, it has previously been posted and in this thread. It was posted while many of us on the east coast were asleep.

[TomatoCoupe]

All the reviews make it sounds like the manual will need a tune.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yes, it has previously been posted and in this thread. It was posted while many of us on the east coast were asleep.

Thx (I thought I had seen it). With people still posting new review threads and/or posting reviews in other existing threads, was not going to waste the time to go search for it.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by TomatoCoupe

All the reviews make it sounds like the manual will need a tune.

Love the handle.

[playswcars]

Sounds like most of you want a GR86