[DCC]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

two updates here. for the stradale kit, first, i had it backwards, the center could probably be done without removing the bumper, but the sides would require removal.

second, i ran by my body shop for an assessment. his take was that due to the design of bumper and integration of the parking sensors, is that its going to be a PITA job which confirmed my fears yesterday when i was poking around and trying to test fit. his guess was a few hours between him and i to get it right, so ill be waiting to install for a week or so until he can give me some time to get it done.

I took a closer look at the stradale grille set and realized that it doesn’t sit up against the back of the vertical bars in the bumper openings. There are quite a few inches of space in between. I was hoping it would sit up against the bumper slats.

[MASHCT]

FYI, this would be covered as an extended coverage/comprehensive loss under your auto policy. Typically, the deductible applicable to EC is lower than collision. May want to check your policy. Just some friendly advice.

Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

As the title emplies, am I the first one to buy a $1,600 rock? This topic has been spoke to of since as early as I can remember.

I drove to work today (I'm a BMW Client Advisor). I came out later to see a puddle of green coolant around my tire and all over my front bumper. Something wasn't right.

I got my car checked in to service and soon afterwards got a video showing a silver dollar sized rock had fallen out of my front bumper by the passenger auxiliary radiator.

A rock punctured my front radiator. It will not be covered by warranty. The bill is almost $1,600 to replace the radiator. I have 835 miles onmy M2. I drive 90% interstate to work every day. I do t tailgate or speed. I feel like this is an obvious design flaw by BMW. Who is going to fix this design flaw?

[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by MASHCT

FYI, this would be covered as an extended coverage/comprehensive loss under your auto policy. Typically, the deductible applicable to EC is lower than collision. May want to check your policy. Just some friendly advice.

I think this was discussed pretty thoroughly. My insurance company said this would be covered by collision, and would most likely increase premiums. No thanks.

[BMW DIY Guy]

I will be installing the Turner myself for sure. I also have the DIY for the Zunsport screens up today too. I have full confidence in them, plus look good too. I am so glad to have them on the car now.

[M2BOT]

Saw this post and immediately bought the Zunsports.

They look great. I didn’t even think about the unprotected radiator and ESPECIALLY the oil cooler. The things just wide open 5 inches from the road just WAITING to eat a rock at 70 MPH. So dumb.

I get it. It’s a “track car” and on a track, airflow is more important than worrying about a rock, but it’s also a road car first. Way more people will be daily driving these things than tracking them. This design was overlooked.

[M2BOT]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Which car has grilles like these aftermarket pieces you guys are putting on from factory? Meaning, it sounds like you guys are saying the M2 is special, so which cars offer these tight grilles standard?

It’s the fact that the radiator is not protected and sits very exposed compared to other cars.
The oil cooler is so exposed underneath it’s out of control.

It’s not like that with most other cars. It was likely a design overlook or a way to cut costs.

[M2BOT]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Like what car has the protection?

Look at any other series BMW and the radiator and oil cooler are not exposed like on the G87.

It’s not that other cars HAVE extra protection…it’s that other cars DONT have the exposure the G87 does. The coolers in the G87 are wide open to debris unlike other cars.

I don’t understand what you’re not getting.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2BOT

The oil cooler is so exposed underneath it’s out of control.

It’s exactly the same on the G80 and G82.

The front rubber lip in front of the oil cooler should prevent any high velocity stones that bounce off the road from hitting it. The stones would have to be at higher than 20 degrees angle bouncing off the road to hit it and therefore likely low velocity. The biggest threat to the oil cooler is likely a careless driver dragging it across a parking stop when touch parking, especially with any securing rebar sticking up.

[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by aerobod

It’s exactly the same on the G80 and G82.

The front rubber lip in front of the oil cooler should prevent any high velocity stones that bounce off the road from hitting it. The stones would have to be at higher than 20 degrees angle bouncing off the road to hit it and therefore likely low velocity. The biggest threat to the oil cooler is likely a careless driver dragging it across a parking stop when touch parking, especially with any securing rebar sticking up.

My dealership had an M4 client that punctured the oil cooler on the interstate. His engine blew before he had time to pull over. Had another client that pulled up too close to a curb in a parking spot and drained all his oil. I think his engine was saved.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by M2siast

BMW F30: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1532356

BMW F80: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1745929

BMW F87: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1846399

BMW F22: https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1557482

BMW F90: https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1747789

I guess I see why some would fuss over covering the front fascia to prevent some rocks from going through (still can’t block them all). But it isn’t something the M2 had overlooked.

I look at all cars and all of them have openings that are large enough for big rocks to puncture radiators. 100% of cars. Hence my question. Perhaps there’s one car out there that has the aftermarket-like grilles. I just have never seen it. Toyotas, Hondas, Audi, etc. all super wide open. Just have a look in person at parking lots.

14 pages of Zunsport screens for Porsche lol

https://www.zunsport.com/en/product/...Porsche&page=1

[rk95]

[QUOTE=M2BOT;30738319]Look at any other series BMW and the radiator and oil cooler are not exposed like on the G87.

It’s not that other cars HAVE extra protection…it’s that other cars DONT have the exposure the G87 does. The coolers in the G87 are wide open to debris unlike other cars.

I don’t understand what you’re not getting.

Look at any Porsche RS vehicle or even their sport SUV models… huge openings for the front radiators. Personally I think everyone is PMS’ing over this issue but to each their own. I personally hate the look of them covered up with these protectors. If you want a protected front radiator profile then buy a Honda civic..

[DSTR]

[QUOTE=rk95;30739269]

Originally Posted by M2BOT

Look at any other series BMW and the radiator and oil cooler are not exposed like on the G87.

It’s not that other cars HAVE extra protection…it’s that other cars DONT have the exposure the G87 does. The coolers in the G87 are wide open to debris unlike other cars.

I don’t understand what you’re not getting.

Look at any Porsche RS vehicle or even their sport SUV models… huge openings for the front radiators. Personally I think everyone is PMS’ing over this issue but to each their own. I personally hate the look of them covered up with these protectors. If you want a protected front radiator profile then buy a Honda civic..

--but to each their own. -- As you stated. Its up to the individual. Those who have endured this as the OP did see it otherwise. Not sure why you commented. One does not need to buy a Honda. AMG actually provided products to address this. Thats called SMART.

[rk95]

[QUOTE=DSTR;30739302]—but to each their own. — As you stated. Its up to the individual. Those who have endured this as the OP did see it otherwise. Not sure why you commented. One does not need to buy a Honda. AMG actually provided products to address this. Thats called SMART.

I commented because I can, because to each their own. I also commented because as I sift through this comment section and see the same complaint stated 25 times 25 different ways, it hurts my soul. I got time today brotha. I’ll send you one of these too. Who knows, maybe you’ll have the last laugh if it happens to me.

[M2BOT]

[QUOTE=rk95;30739269]

Originally Posted by M2BOT

Look at any other series BMW and the radiator and oil cooler are not exposed like on the G87.

It’s not that other cars HAVE extra protection…it’s that other cars DONT have the exposure the G87 does. The coolers in the G87 are wide open to debris unlike other cars.

I don’t understand what you’re not getting.

Look at any Porsche RS vehicle or even their sport SUV models… huge openings for the front radiators. Personally I think everyone is PMS’ing over this issue but to each their own. I personally hate the look of them covered up with these protectors. If you want a protected front radiator profile then buy a Honda civic..

Such absolutism with the Honda civic comment. This isn’t a race car.

Every single one of these cars is meant first to be driven on public roads. They should be designed in a way that a catastrophic failure won’t result from typical conditions experienced on a public road.

[clydefrog]

Besides the OP (and maybe one other?) I really haven't seen anyone have a problem with damaged radiators.. I had an opportunity to get some of those Japanese covers on a trip but ultimately decided against it (in addition to some lazy-ness)

Now, if this thread was full of people left and right having radiator punctures I'd feel differently, but it's mostly people being (rightfully) overly concerned about their new cars.

Fingers crossed!

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by clydefrog

Besides the OP (and maybe one other?) I really haven't seen anyone have a problem with damaged radiators.. I had an opportunity to get some of those Japanese covers on a trip but ultimately decided against it (in addition to some lazy-ness)

Now, if this thread was full of people left and right having radiator punctures I'd feel differently, but it's mostly people being (rightfully) overly concerned about their new cars.

Fingers crossed!

M3 and M4 forum have issues. Also many owners wont frequent a forum like this. This is an issue here in Germany per my dealer. He felt strongly BMW has equities in addressing this.

Yet refuse unlike AMG. 14 pages of Porsche products on Zunsport lol. Yep non issue or potential issue.

[Fastfwd]

Finally got the car cleaned up yesterday and tackled the Zunsport install. The brake ducts were the toughest imo. The trick I discovered that worked for me was to clip the short arm on the outside in first and not really even try to push the grill itself to make the long arm reach, but use your tool to push the long arm itself. There is no way to push the grill enough to just clip it. If that makes sense.

Anyway, I grabbed a few photos this morning of the clean car with the Zunsports installed. I don't even know if these are the best of what I got, but a few decent shots.

I'm very pleased with how it looks. I was worried it might not look all that great, but necessary. They actually look pretty good imo.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Fastfwd

Finally got the car cleaned up yesterday and tackled the Zunsport install. The brake ducts were the toughest imo. The trick I discovered that worked for me was to clip the short arm on the outside in first and not really even try to push the grill itself to make the long arm reach, but use your tool to push the long arm itself. There is no way to push the grill enough to just clip it. If that makes sense.

Anyway, I grabbed a few photos this morning of the clean car with the Zunsports installed. I don't even know if these are the best of what I got, but a few decent shots.

I'm very pleased with how it looks. I was worried it might not look all that great, but necessary. They actually look pretty good imo.

Looks good. Any concerns with it in front of the ACC sensor? I ordered a set today because the Stadale Designs grilles I ordered 3 weeks ago still hadn't shipped.

[DarkNight707]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I ordered a set today because the Stadale Designs grilles I ordered 3 weeks ago still hadn't shipped.

I ordered 3 weeks ago and just got the order shipped this morning.

[Fastfwd]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Looks good. Any concerns with it in front of the ACC sensor? I ordered a set today because the Stadale Designs grilles I ordered 3 weeks ago still hadn't shipped.

I didn't even think about it, but the ACC worked as it has the previous 1K miles this morning.

I was set to be a trial to make sure it worked. They were offering a 50% off deal, but somebody else did the trial first. So, they confirmed it to work.

They won't be making a grill for the ACC equipped cars. This one is it.

[Bearded-Driver]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Looks good. Any concerns with it in front of the ACC sensor? I ordered a set today because the Stadale Designs grilles I ordered 3 weeks ago still hadn't shipped.

i ordered mine 3 weeks ago too and they just shipped today

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Looks good. Any concerns with it in front of the ACC sensor? I ordered a set today because the Stadale Designs grilles I ordered 3 weeks ago still hadn't shipped.

Looks very good on a black car.