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01-25-2021, 12:43 PM | #2753 |
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Had a couple people ask me WTF I do / how'd I get into trading. Might be worth another thread / even another sub forum, but for now....
Books I'm slowly working through : Capital in the 21st Century The Intelligent Investor Videos / online resources : TastyTrade - options and fundamentals edit - imgur embeds, apparently. Click through for various strategies on the first link, I'm going to try and link the individual images for easier reference here... View post on imgur.com View post on imgur.com View post on imgur.com View post on imgur.com View post on imgur.com News / general "feel" reading : https://worldview.stratfor.com/ https://www.marketwatch.com/ Various subreddits, forums, etc - some forums have people who break news before CNN does based on locality, employment, etc. So generally I'll use the news / reddit / forums to grab a ticker and then start my research / due diligence from there. I am not a CFA, financial advisor, or anything remotely related to a trading professional so take anything I say with a large grain of salt. I like to think I'm smarter than the average bear (pun intended) but everything involves risk. Plus, it's a pretty solid bull market, so it's a bit of an "any idiot should be able to come out ahead this year" situation as well. But hey, may the odds be ever in your favor. I think most of us here are already at least moderately successful in life and aren't just going to dump our life savings into a single option play. Last edited by NorCalAthlete; 01-25-2021 at 12:57 PM.. |
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01-25-2021, 12:50 PM | #2754 |
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^ well you may have to be this threads new RMTT since he pretty much bailed on us for stocktwits lol
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01-25-2021, 01:39 PM | #2758 |
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https://moxreports.com/vw-infinity-squeeze/
Nah. Still holding shares + call option. That was basically the 2nd spike on this chart, before the dip + massive moon spike. I have auto-sell at $1,000 for the day for the call option and $420 for the shares (because hey, lulz.) Shares may go higher, they may barely touch $500, nobody knows so I figure why be too greedy with a $1,000 share price limit sell - might miss the spike if it only goes to $600. At the end of the day this is still just my FOMO / fuck around account while I learn options, total value of it at the moment is < $50k still. For anyone looking to learn options I would STRONGLY suggest treating it like a casino - only play with what you're willing to lose and walk away from. Know your risk tolerance and stick to it. YOLO plays are fun and it can be a life changing amount of money, but it can just as easily be life changing in the wrong direction if you're not careful. Another good read on short squeezes is here : https://moxreports.com/kbio-infinity-squeeze/ Last edited by NorCalAthlete; 01-25-2021 at 01:46 PM.. |
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01-25-2021, 01:49 PM | #2759 | |
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If so, what happens if that option becomes extremely valuable and you want to exercise it / sell it, but the person underwriting the option can't cover the shares? |
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01-25-2021, 02:25 PM | #2760 | |
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Scenario 1 : BPST holds steady below $12 and as of market close on 2-25-21, the stock is worth $11.99 or less. Jason pockets $15 and keeps his 100 shares. Mark loses $15 and gets nothing for it. Scenario 2 : BPST holds steady below $12 and as of market close on 2-25-21, the stock is worth $11.99 or less. Jason pockets $15 and keeps his 100 shares. Mark's contract has decreased in value to $0.05 on the morning of expiration, but he doesn't think BPST will hit $12 so he sells the contract for a $10 loss to Brad. Since the stock closes at $11.99, Mark limited his losses to $10 and Brad loses $5. Scenario 3 : BPST rises above $12 and before market close on 2-25-21, the stock is worth $12.15 or more. As the strike price on the contract is $0.15 per share, this now makes it worth it to Mark to exercise the contract and purchase those 100 shares at a price of $12.15 each. This means he must have $1,250 cash in his account in order to exercise, plus any transaction / trading fees by his brokerage. Jason gains $1,265, but loses his 100 shares. Mark now owns 100 shares of BPST, at an average cost of $12.15. As the price is now above his purchase price, let's say $13, Mark could immediately turn around and sell his shares for a $0.75 profit per share, making $1,300 on the sale. Subtracting his $1,250 cost, Mark just made $75. Scenario 4 : BPST rises above $12 and before market close on 2-25-21, the stock is worth $12.15 or more. The contract is now "In the money" and worth say, $0.45 rather than the $0.15 Jason sold it for. Since Mark now owns the contract, he may choose to simply sell it rather than exercise - maybe he doesn't have enough cash to exercise it. Mark sells the contract to Brad for $0.45, and pockets $45. Minus his $15 to purchase the contract, Mark just made $30, Jason made $15, and Brad has the option to exercise the contract and purchase the shares for $12.45 break-even price. There are a few other ways it could play out and my numbers are probably a tiny bit off, since we didn't go into the greeks, but hopefully you get the gist here. Warning : lots of reading ahead if you click this link : |
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01-25-2021, 03:15 PM | #2762 |
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I mean, it's called a "contract" for a reason...
Jason sold "covered calls" not "naked calls". As in, he put up his shares as collateral. If he had sold naked calls, and they expired out of the money, then ok he could just pocket the money I think. But if he sold naked options and they were ITM at expiration, and the buyer wanted to exercise, Jason would be forced to buy whatever shares he could, at whatever market price was, in order to have the inventory to cover. This would likely mean purchasing the shares at a higher price than the strike price of the contract he sold, meaning he would take an immediate loss by buying the shares and giving them to the contract holder at the lower strike price. So let's say share was $10, goes to $15, and Jason had sold a naked contract with a $12 strike. He now has to go on the open market, buy 100 shares at $15 / share, and then immediate give them to the guy holding the $12 contract. Jason may have sold the naked contract for a quick $15 gain, but now eats a -$1,500 loss due to having to buy the shares to fulfill the contract. Edit - not $1,500 loss sorry. It would be $1,500 - $1,200 so $300 loss (or $285 loss including the $15 gain from the initial contract sale). Limited upside, infinite downside (ie, let's say the stock went to $20 instead of $15, he'd now have to fork over $2000 to buy, sell for $1200, and eat an $800 loss)(I think). Selling naked options gets you into a lot of trouble if it goes sideways - read the above links on GME, VW, etc to see how it can get even the big hedge funds into trouble. If Jason tried to sell his shares (assuming he wasn't locked out of doing so by his brokerage for some reason) he'd be opening himself up to lawsuits, SEC investigation, etc. It's like buying a house - once buyer & seller agree on price and sign the contract, the money & title go into escrow right? So if the seller then tries to sell the house again to another person, while in contract with the first buyer, that ain't gonna fly. Least, that's the way I understand it. I'm sure we have some more savvy financial gurus in here lurking who can correct me on this if I'm off. Last edited by NorCalAthlete; 01-25-2021 at 04:02 PM.. |
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First, I believe "naked calls", "naked shorts", etc. is not a thing, at least in the SEC regulated space, so not sure why you even mention it. Second, again, the question is re mechanics of options contract underwriting. Simple reliance on "contract" is naïve, to say the least - just ask Madoffs clients.
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Not sure in the States, but in Canada, we have insurance through the government to cover up to $100K if we have that much in a bank account and the bank goes bust. Is there anything insurance wise (or any other means, not necessarily insurance) that allows you to be comfortable that the other party comes through without going the lawsuit route? Because suing someone takes a lot of your own money, and if he/she doesn't have any significant assets anyways, its just a waste of your money since you get nothing at the end of the day. Contracts are only good if the other party has enough assets to cover what they say they are covering. Also, can you as a buyer tell whether you are buying a covered vs naked call? Options have always really interested me, but I admit I'm too dumb at the moment to really understand them, so I appreciate the education you are giving me! |
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Secondly, here, take it from Fidelity : https://www.fidelity.com/learning-ce...ed-calls-video Once again, I'm relatively new at this myself - only started a year ago, so I'm fully willing to admit if I get something wrong, but please do post sources to backup your feelings and beliefs about what's legal and what's not. Let's at least make a good faith effort to not post FUD in here. |
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My play money brokerage account was up 21.45% for 2020 thanks to his research! (In comparison, the S&P 500 only went up 18.40% last year.) It would have been more like up 40%, if my bad picks did not drag the balance down.....
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My brokerage actually stopped charging per-transaction fees last year for small personal traders, supposedly driven by their need to stay competitive with Robin Hood in the market.
Regarding the government's share, the tax man (or tax forms for that matter) have not come...yet. I'm sure that my generous philanthropic contributions last year will more than offset the tax bill from my play money trading account when it does arrive.....
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$GIK (stock) or $GIK.WS (warrants) Solid business going public. Will trade as $ZEV after the merger. Investor Deck Guide to SPAC warrants for those that need it. Last edited by cpow99; 01-25-2021 at 11:52 PM.. |
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