[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

That weight sounds orgasmic, the cylinder count, not so much.

Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!

What if the engine was iN tHe BaCk

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

What if the engine was iN tHe BaCk

Haha as in no rear seats...that'd be different!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by MDuckie

They aren't going to revive the legendary CSL designation on an old model nor their entry level M model.

Perhaps a little CSL education.

BMW currently has the following race going models in their lineup.... and all racing in North America currently.

M8 GTE
M4 GT4
M240 racing - soon to be replaced by an M2 racing

M8 GTE a car designed for the track first and then the production car came out.

M4 GT4- currently at end of life with new model coming ?

M2 racing - currently being designed on the track ...

Sure seems to me a slam dunk to roll out roadgoing models of the same as M8 CSL, M4 CSL, and M2. CSL.

Unless BMW simply wants to allow Porsche , Mercedes and Audi to take all the race on Sunday and drive on Monday ////marketing and sales.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Haha as in no rear seats...that'd be different!

... and it would be called "Cayman".

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!

I can't imagine that they could get anywhere near 3000 pounds. I am also guessing that the CSL would have some version of the S55. It would be really surprising for BMW to introduce a different engine (and a 4 cylinder at that) at the very end of the F8X life cycle...

I think 3300 pounds would probably be the best they could do...but with 450 BHP or more, that would be a very compelling car.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by mbanck

The Z4 20i will get 6MT soon, but that one is not available in the US.

Appreciate the note. I am us-based so that doesnt apply unfortunately

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

^^^ The interesting thing about the F0x/F1x 6 Series ending was that it exposed just how few 6GTs were being moved in NA. It couldn't even manage to match the i8's sales volume in at least one month this year.

I've seen it reported that the 3GT was also killed in the US at the end of MY2019.

It says so here: http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3480&mid=

Though this link no longer (I'm pretty sure it did earlier, see e.g. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=31) mentions the 6GT as being discontinued!?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mbanck

It says so here: http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3480&mid=

Though this link no longer (I'm pretty sure it did earlier, see e.g. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=31) mentions the 6GT as being discontinued!?

Thanks for the link. Regard the 6GT, perhaps they reconsidered, or perhaps BMW NA jumped the gun? That would not be unheard of. For example, if the announcement was made before it was determined that there was already a large supply of NA-spec 6GT vehicles or sub-assemblies in the pipeline, they may have realized it would be prudent to continue on into MY2020 for a few months. They could simply continue to sell them as MY2019 instead, but of course MY2020 would be more marketable (and this vehicle needs all of the help it can get in that area).

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

May 2018

• G01 X3 and G02 X4 are confirmed for engine upgrades for MY2020. 30i remains at 248hp, M40i gets a bump to 385hp.

ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020. Any idea if it is still coming for MY2020 as a mid-year update or if it has been delayed until MY2021?

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020. Any idea if it is still coming for MY2020 as a mid-year update or if it has been delayed until MY2021?

The ordering sheet for 2020 G01 and G02 in Canada shows updated engines. Are there any chance that it gets reversed? Also any chance we get different vehicles from US?

I understand different specs isn't entirely impossible, but I only remember it happening for rarer/smaller sales number vehicles.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

The ordering sheet for 2020 G01 and G02 in Canada shows updated engines. Are there any chance that it gets reversed?

The US pricing guide shows "B58M" (the new high output TU engine is B58O) for the 2020 X3 M40i. Also, multiple pages on the BMW NA website, including the just-updated configurator, say that the 2020 model still makes 355hp. The latter is far from reliable in general, but as corroborating source it perhaps has a little more value.

I suppose we won't know for absolute certain that the new engines aren't there until the vehicles arrive at dealerships. It's not looking good at this point.

Also any chance we get different vehicles from US?

Yes, although as you say, that is not very common.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The US pricing guide shows "B58M" (the new high output TU engine is B58O) for the 2020 X3 M40i. Also, multiple pages on the BMW NA website, including the just-updated configurator, say that the 2020 model still makes 355hp. The latter is far from reliable in general, but as corroborating source it perhaps has a little more value.

I suppose we won't know for absolute certain that the new engines aren't there until the vehicles arrive at dealerships. It's not looking good at this point.



Yes, although as you say, that is not very common.

In general BMW seems pretty poor at managing incremental updates to models... it seems the Launch-LCI-EOP rinse/repeat is so ingrained in them they lose all ability to communicate or logically manage what content gets added when acting outside that framework

[mbanck]

That's a bit unfair, multiple models got off-LCI engine updates, like the F48 and the F34, plus they updated all Diesels to SCR/Euro-6d-temp in 2018.

[Weiman]

Originally Posted by xlover

In general BMW seems pretty poor at managing incremental updates to models... it seems the Launch-LCI-EOP rinse/repeat is so ingrained in them they lose all ability to communicate or logically manage what content gets added when acting outside that framework

Very unfair. They regularly put out press releases like this:
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...19?language=en

[xlover]

Originally Posted by mbanck

That's a bit unfair, multiple models got off-LCI engine updates, like the F48 and the F34, plus they updated all Diesels to SCR/Euro-6d-temp in 2018.

No, the point isn't that they don't make updates its good that they do, the point is they do a poor job of coordinating them and communicating them.
Some examples:
You have an x3m running a fully different operating system than the lesser models
It's unknown which engine the x3 m40i is shipping with and different answers from different markets (maybe they are different but that goes to the communication item)
Several models that have the components but not being updated to driver assist pro, staying on plus despite pro proliferation throughout the model line

Look if you feel bmw is doing a good job of communicating with you as a consumer then that is your opinion, I feel it is not very good. I will use ford as a good example in this regard every year they tweak the mustang lineup (new model variants/ option changes) a bit and all the changes are usually pretty clear on page one of the order guide and in press releases. Not saying they are perfect but overall that's a better standard to set.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020.

It did. Note the model code change from TS33 to TY93. TY93 uses the new engine.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

It did. Note the model code change from TS33 to TY93. TY93 uses the new engine.

Ok, thanks for confirming that. Amazing how BMW NA keeps getting worse and worse at presenting the facts. It make me wonder who in the organization is in charge of product information and how they manage to be so bad at it.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Ok, thanks for confirming that. Amazing how BMW NA keeps getting worse and worse at presenting the facts. It make me wonder who in the organization is in charge of product information and how they manage to be so bad at it.

It's even worse than you think. I've just checked bmw.de, which is normally more precise and up-to-date, its build tool still shows 265kW, even though you can see TY91 in the URL, and any lookup of a TY91 VIN will return "B58D" with 285kW.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

It's even worse than you think. I've just checked bmw.de, which is normally more precise and up-to-date, its build tool still shows 265kW, even though you can see TY91 in the URL, and any lookup of a TY91 VIN will return "B58D" with 285kW.

Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?

Right, because B58O would be O0, and here we have O1. BMW now uses a new sequence of letters for the four-letter engine codes you might find for example in ETK. This started with N63 but became more systematic with the TUs of Bxx motors:

BxxA - K1
BxxB - U1
BxxC - M1
BxxD - O1
B4xE - T1 in UKL models
B4xF - T1 in CLAR models
BxxX - any hybrid using that engine
N63B - N63T3
N74B - N74U1

What's funny is that Supra crowd now talks about B58C vs B58D all the time.

[Biersmith]

Ynguldyn-
With an end of production date of 8/2020 for the F33, can we assume that the new platform G series 4 Convertible will be available at the same time?

Thanks for the help.