F1 2022: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 13)

HeelToeShift · 11-13-2022, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 2008M36MT

Can somebody explain why Hamilton gave the race away to Russell only? Clearly Mercedes' win has nothing to do with the car, it's all about talent and there's no way Russell us more talented than Hamilton. It's weird how both Russell and Hamilton both decided to turn up their skills to beat RB and Ferrari. I'm confused.

Not really, MKSixer's argument that Hamilton didn't benefit from the best car, which resulted in most of those championships, is just crumbling.

Rus is faster than Ham. Ham isn't that good unless he has the absolute fastest car. If Max hadnt had damage and penalty he'd have beat them like he has ALL SEASON. Funny MB shows up 4 races after Max wins the WDC and after he sets a new points record and record for most wins in an F1 season.

GuidoK · 11-13-2022, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

So we going to talk about VER's radio about not letting PER pass

I already gave my opinion.
But a section of the onboard radio was played where Max said something interesting. I couldn't hear all, but one section was "you know my stand on this", so that means that internally in RB there apparently has been extensively spoken on this, and apparently there is some different matter of opinion between Max and RB?
So I don't really know what's going on here, but it seems to be a running discussion in the team.

EdM5 · 11-13-2022, 03:02 PM

Max not giving the position to Checo in the last lap is truly shocking.
6th place for Max is irrelevant why not help your loyal soldier Checo?

GuidoK · 11-13-2022, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Remember when everyone was putting PER on a pedestal for Abu Dhabi but VER couldn't even let PER get points that have ZERO significance to you? It's one thing if you need the points or they have some bearing on the outcome of the season but VER/Red Bull have secured EVERYTHING. You couldn't even give PER points so he could try and secure P2 in drivers?

I don't want to hear excuses of being competitive. VER has absolutely nothing to gain - he couldn't let PER pass and help Red Bull secure 1-2 in everything.

with the "you" in your post: do you mean me or Max?
I don't think I understand your post.

TheBingoBalls · 11-13-2022, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Rus is faster than Ham. Ham isn't that good unless he has the absolute fastest car. If Max hadnt had damage and penalty he'd have beat them like he has ALL SEASON. Funny MB shows up 4 races after Max wins the WDC and after he sets a new points record and record for most wins in an F1 season.

There's nothing "funny". Perhaps Red Bull stopped any sort of development since they wrapped up both championships while Mercedes is still trying to improve what has been a failed car concept so it wouldn't be surprising why suddenly Mercedes has some new found pace.

TheBingoBalls · 11-13-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

with the "you" in your post: do you mean me or Max?
I don't think I understand your post.

Sorry, meant Max.

It makes no sense why Max wouldn't just let him pass. And the radio makes it even worse.

HeelToeShift · 11-13-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

There's nothing "funny". Perhaps Red Bull stopped any sort of development since they wrapped up both championships while Mercedes is still trying to improve what has been a failed car concept so it wouldn't be surprising why suddenly Mercedes has some new found pace.

Agreed. RB seems like they stopped a while ago. I imagine they're focused on the new chassis and next year as they should be.

That said, given how far back Max was and how close he got it just shows how fast he is driving that car.

M5Rick · 11-13-2022, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

RB should have make that call much earlier and not in the last 20 sec. of the race ...

Too bad ..

The Mercs ? Yeah I said : It's the Mercedes resurrection !

Lets hope it was a one off because of crap Merc made track and all the world will cheer for Max/Checo at Abu Dhabi like last year which reminds me..why is Merc still using Bose I saw,Bose withdrew it after Wolff flipping out there.

///M Power-Belgium · 11-13-2022, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

yeah maybe. But I'm sure there will be some talk tonight about it.
In all fairness, Max also has Checo a lot to thank for in some specific races the last 2 years.

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

What a fking race. All of the top teams were pretty much in it to the end with the help of a couple of SC/VSC but what a race.

HAM got driver of the day but what a drive by LEC to recover what was a near-DNF.

So we going to talk about VER's radio about not letting PER pass or we going to ignore and move on and not make a big deal out of it when we would criticize Mercedes or Ferrari if they did the same thing?

MAX got a 5 sec. penalty . This means that Checo will finish in front of MAX ..
(I'm not sure yet)

We'll see that soon enough and I just see It's Negative ..

TheBingoBalls · 11-13-2022, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX got a 5 sec. penalty . This means that Checo will finish in front of MAX ..
(I'm not sure yet)

We'll see that soon enough and I just see It's Negative ..

Max served the 5 second penalty during his pit stop.

E86Z4MC · 11-13-2022, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

RB should have make that call much earlier and not in the last 20 sec. of the race ...

Too bad ..

The Mercs ? Yeah I said : It's the Mercedes resurrection !

Wouldn't have made a difference, apparently smdh. Nevermind all the ways Max has been helped by Sergio

///M Power-Belgium · 11-13-2022, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

Lets hope it was a one off because of crap Merc made track and all the world will cheer for Max/Checo at Abu Dhabi like last year which reminds me..why is Merc still using Bose I saw,Bose withdrew it after Wolff flipping out there.

I wonder why Wolff wasn't present at Brazil ?

Too busy with the technical FIA information ...

Bongoxxx · 11-13-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX got a 5 sec. penalty . This means that Checo will finish in front of MAX ..
(I'm not sure yet)

We'll see that soon enough and I just see It's Negative ..

Do you even watch the races?

Max served his penalty on one of his pit stops.

TheBingoBalls · 11-13-2022, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

with the "you" in your post: do you mean me or Max?
I don't think I understand your post.

I think we can all make the assumption from the radio that VER will never give a position up which I think is a s--t attitude since both championships are already wrapped up for Red Bull.

///M Power-Belgium · 11-13-2022, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Max served the 5 second penalty during his pit stop.

Yeah . I see that now . I missed the first 50-60 min.of the race completely .
Got an urgent call from the company ... #F@ck&DamnIt%Too=Bad !!!

Will re-watch the whole race later today .

Thank you for the information

Bongoxxx · 11-13-2022, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

I already gave my opinion.
But a section of the onboard radio was played where Max said something interesting. I couldn't hear all, but one section was "you know my stand on this", so that means that internally in RB there apparently has been extensively spoken on this, and apparently there is some different matter of opinion between Max and RB?
So I don't really know what's going on here, but it seems to be a running discussion in the team.

Max showing his “character”. Meaningless race for him and refusing to let his teammate pass and securing points for P2 in the championship.

///M Power-Belgium · 11-13-2022, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

Do you even watch the races?

Max served his penalty on one of his pit stops.

Post # 281 mate !

M5Rick · 11-13-2022, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I wonder why Wolff wasn't present at Brazil ?

Too busy with the technical FIA information ...

The pos was probably secretly with just that when no one is looking.

NYG · 11-13-2022, 03:29 PM

Quick thoughts:

Alonso was driver of the day.
Whether you like Max or not, that penalty was an embarrassment and a joke.
A bit upset that Max didn't let Checo get those points but I understand the mindset of a champion and he's not the first to do this.
Happy for Russel but he's still a massive cunt.

iamwingman · 11-13-2022, 03:35 PM

So Max gets a penalty. Ham doesn’t. And, apparently, neither does DannyRic? What in the fuck is happening.? And btw, douche move by Max regarding Perez.

M5Rick · 11-13-2022, 03:41 PM

Ricciardo on a battering ram mission here
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/v...321055779.html

TheBingoBalls · 11-13-2022, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iamwingman

So Max gets a penalty. Ham doesn’t. And, apparently, neither does DannyRic? What in the fuck is happening.? And btw, douche move by Max regarding Perez.

Why would HAM get a penalty if the stewards deemed VER at fault?

Giving RIC a penalty wouldn't matter since he DNF anyway. Potentially gets points on license.

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NYG Brigadier General 12274 Rep 4,279 Posts Drives: Audi R8 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (0)	Quick thoughts: Alonso was driver of the day. Whether you like Max or not, that penalty was an embarrassment and a joke. A bit upset that Max didn't let Checo get those points but I understand the mindset of a champion and he's not the first to do this. Happy for Russel but he's still a massive cunt.
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iamwingman Major 1202 Rep 1,184 Posts Drives: 21 Carrera S, 23 Tesla Model S Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: South Florida iTrader: (0)	So Max gets a penalty. Ham doesn’t. And, apparently, neither does DannyRic? What in the fuck is happening.? And btw, douche move by Max regarding Perez.
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M5Rick General 69022 Rep 22,164 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	Ricciardo on a battering ram mission here https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/v...321055779.html
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