[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

A reminder for some here that the likelihood that a special edition of a G87 will be offered with a manual is rather slim. The current CS and CSL are living proof of that. Just something to keep in mind.

That’s a fair concern.

Best to keep up on the news and be ready to find an allocation if/when 6MT is discontinued.

[dukat1]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Isn’t that you?

There are literally a dozen reviews that give the G87 top marks that you’ve chosen to ignore.

what have i ignored exactly? Have I said anything negative about reporters who have expressed a positive opinion on the car? you're the one shitting on reviewers that you've been following from day one apparently, because they don't agree with your opinion.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

I have been told by staff at all 3 dealers I've used over the years that they don't care if you add a short shift kit. It doesn't affect the engine, emissions or other key areas. It would only be a problem if the LINKAGE you added failed. Of course the dealer would not cover that.

But, stick with a reputable source, like Rogue, UUC, AutoSolutions, Dinan, Turner

It SHOULD eliminate rubbery feel some of the reviewers discussed.

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I like Rogue as I have one of their SSK installed on a now Classic BMW. They produce quality items.

Edit, uncertain if he is producing anything like a SSK, but keep in mind that Steve Dinan has his a tuning company again, CarBahn. https://carbahn.com/

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

This review went live an hour ago.

Edit, the first few minutes in and my thoughts are this individual is clearly not a BMW fanboy when he made the comment about the quad exhaust being on a six cylinder. Hmm… the quad exhaust first appeared on a BMW six cylinder. The Z3 M Roadster in fact. The next one was when he stated that his demo car may have been produced in Germany.

He also said TR was M2 specific…

[Bimmerfun82]

What’s the thought process on buying an M2 v M4 other than saving $10k? These reviews seem to indicate it’s not much of a different driving experience but less powerful…?

[T_U_D]

Posted approximately an hour ago. Winding Road Magazine POV.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

What’s the thought process on buying an M2 v M4 other than saving $10k?

Is that not enough?

It likely has enough of its own character to justify the nameplate, but if it’s ‘just’ a $10k cheaper G82, that’s already a very compelling product.

A brand new S58 car for $65k is crazy. That’s barely more than a B58 Supra.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

What’s the thought process on buying an M2 v M4 other than saving $10k? These reviews seem to indicate it’s not much of a different driving experience but less powerful…?

Base price difference is $15k. For me, the M2 is better looking without the huge schnoz, and a better size as the M4 has gotten too big. Performance should be virtually equal between the two in most regards.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Is that not enough?

I’m sure it has enough of its own character to justify the nameplate, but if it’s ‘just’ a $10k cheaper G82, that’s already a very compelling product.

A brand new S58 car for $65k is crazy. That’s barely more than a B58 Supra.

You are Socrates, really making me think here by asking me question answering my question with a question!

Seriously though most people perhaps it is enough, but for many people it’s a bit more on the monthly or $ not as much of an issue as dynamics - and the trade offs are power and style, here it seems to be the key issue

[dukat1]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Just curious, for current model year cars, what would you compare the 2023 M2 to?

thats a good question - atleast in AU its 25k more the a RS3 about 40k more then a supra. What else is there ?

[Throttle House Thomas]

Hey Everyone, Thomas from Throttle House here. Our review of the M2 was very thoroughly thought out, and we stand by the things we said. Drop your questions here and I'll try to answer them.

To address one thing re: lugging the engine in 4th. We also did the same in second gear the moment before and you can see how unresponsive the powertrain is at low revs. The 4th gear pull was just a way of REALLY showing it off. For reference my OG M2 pulls hard almost immediately at lower revs. Off boost turbocharged motors feel really dull. And the amount of off-boost in this engine is much larger than normal. But feel free to respond and I'll partake in discussion!
This car is very important to me, and I'm not pleased with a few of the choices BMW has made in the development of the new one. At this point, I probably wont chat about styling too much, because as you saw... I kind of said it all already...

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

What’s the thought process on buying an M2 v M4 other than saving $10k? These reviews seem to indicate it’s not much of a different driving experience but less powerful…?

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

What’s the thought process on buying an M2 v M4 other than saving $10k? These reviews seem to indicate it’s not much of a different driving experience but less powerful…?

No pig snout.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by M3WC

No pig snout.

Very solid point, I had a 4 series, the snout was kind of lower than I expected but never got used to the look… had an black M3, snout was kind of hidden but still looked ridiculous

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by swagon

and what else did you expect?

Considering their first G82 review 2 years ago, it certainly wasn’t a given that they would publicly admit to enjoying the car.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Very solid point, I had a 4 series, the snout was kind of lower than I expected but never got used to the look… had an black M3, snout was kind of hidden but still looked ridiculous

I will say the G87 is no beauty, either. The design is odd, but I don't consider it ugly. The front of the G80/82 in my opinion is beyond hideous. It has been years and still cringe seeing them on the road.

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by Throttle House Thomas

Hey Everyone, Thomas from Throttle House here. Our review of the M2 was very thoroughly thought out, and we stand by the things we said. Drop your questions here and I'll try to answer them.

To address one thing re: lugging the engine in 4th. We also did the same in second gear the moment before and you can see how unresponsive the powertrain is at low revs. The 4th gear pull was just a way of REALLY showing it off. For reference my OG M2 pulls hard almost immediately at lower revs. Off boost turbocharged motors feel really dull. And the amount of off-boost in this engine is much larger than normal. But feel free to respond and I'll partake in discussion!
This car is very important to me, and I'm not pleased with a few of the choices BMW has made in the development of the new one. At this point, I probably wont chat about styling too much, because as you saw... I kind of said it all already...

Are you comparing the N55 agasinst the S58 and the single twinscroll against the twin turbo here? Welcome Thomas

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

Sometimes I forget how ugly the G8x front end is, thanks for the reminder - although the rear end is glorious and the m2 rear is meh

[Reesnat]

Originally Posted by Throttle House Thomas

Hey Everyone, Thomas from Throttle House here. Our review of the M2 was very thoroughly thought out, and we stand by the things we said. Drop your questions here and I'll try to answer them.

To address one thing re: lugging the engine in 4th. We also did the same in second gear the moment before and you can see how unresponsive the powertrain is at low revs. The 4th gear pull was just a way of REALLY showing it off. For reference my OG M2 pulls hard almost immediately at lower revs. Off boost turbocharged motors feel really dull. And the amount of off-boost in this engine is much larger than normal. But feel free to respond and I'll partake in discussion!
This car is very important to me, and I'm not pleased with a few of the choices BMW has made in the development of the new one. At this point, I probably wont chat about styling too much, because as you saw... I kind of said it all already...

Hi Thomas, good to see you here and open to taking some questions.

As a F87 Competition owner, this car is extremely important to me as well.

The turbo lag at lower rev ranges is something I felt with the G82 M4 as well which I drove on track. But in the Auto, it’s hard to believe it’s as bad as has been represented by your review and none of the others have pointed it out as much as you guys.

I wish you guys spent more time with the Auto to give the car a better chance. I believe the ‘get a manual to be cool’ train is a bit overdone. As a track enthusiast myself I knew the Auto was the only choice for me.

With that said, would you say the auto pretty much sorts out the power delivery for you?

Also, as a track enthusiast, isn’t a more sorted and capable car a pro? I couldn’t understand the excessive bashing it got for not being as tail happy as the F87. This seems like a car that’s much easier to drive on the limit than previously for most non-race car drivers.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by Throttle House Thomas

Hey Everyone, Thomas from Throttle House here. Our review of the M2 was very thoroughly thought out, and we stand by the things we said. Drop your questions here and I'll try to answer them.

To address one thing re: lugging the engine in 4th. We also did the same in second gear the moment before and you can see how unresponsive the powertrain is at low revs. The 4th gear pull was just a way of REALLY showing it off. For reference my OG M2 pulls hard almost immediately at lower revs. Off boost turbocharged motors feel really dull. And the amount of off-boost in this engine is much larger than normal. But feel free to respond and I'll partake in discussion!
This car is very important to me, and I'm not pleased with a few of the choices BMW has made in the development of the new one. At this point, I probably wont chat about styling too much, because as you saw... I kind of said it all already...

James: “Dude, you’re getting destroyed on the forums, get in there”

[zero21]

Originally Posted by dukat1

what have i ignored exactly? Have I said anything negative about reporters who have expressed a positive opinion on the car? you're the one shitting on reviewers that you've been following from day one apparently, because they don't agree with your opinion.

That's not exactly accurate. I think most of us are not concerned that a car doesn't subjectively fill someone's needs (looks, etc.). I think what we're shitting on is that not only did they say dumb things (contradicting prior reviews), they more importantly did dumb things in the car. Like shifting into 4th at 30mph to exclaim how slow it is. Seriously, WTF?

They offered almost zero technical information, no insights into new specs or context of CLAR platform or inspiration for the car, or designer (Jose Casas) information, etc. They just lambasted it for not being an update of the original, even though the whole platform grew up for safety reasons, and all objective data means they are more capable vehicles even with added tech and safety.

In my book, that is a home run, if the design isn't universally loved.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by zero21

This dude rattled off 0-60 in the manual in 4 flat with a high RPM launch. That's wild with the weight and cast rollers.

This was a great driving experience video. Really appreciated his feedback.

I thought it was the best of all of them in regards to driver experience with the high speed twists in a manual.