[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by pw4

I know it uses the M3/4 suspension, but the M3 is only 50mm wider than the standard G42. Looking at the car and at pictures, I really can't see a difference in the shape and width of the flared guards. You'd think they would have to be 25mm wider per side (unless maybe a different wheel offset to fit the suspension under the guards, or something????). Maybe the M2 flares are wider, but if they are there's not much in it. Not like the previous generation M2 which was visibly much more flared than the F22.

ONLY 50mm?!?! You make it sound like that's not significant. The average "unsightly, off-road wheel gap" that people complain about on most cars is about 20mm, so a G8X is nearly 3 wheel gap lengths wider than the standard car. That's a significant visual difference.

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

ONLY 50mm?!?! You make it sound like that's not significant. The average "unsightly, off-road wheel gap" that people complain about on most cars is about 20mm, so a G8X is nearly 3 wheel gap lengths wider than the standard car. That's a significant visual difference.

Yeah, that dude doesn't know what he's talking about. Here are some dimensions of other M cars vs their non M counterparts. The M240 is already wide and the g87 will be almost 2" wider.

Here are the widths without mirrors:
G80/G82 M3/M4 = 74.3"
G20 M340 = 71.9"

F87 M2 = 73.0"
F22 M240 = 69.8"

E82 1M = 71.0"
E82 135 = 68.8"

G42 M240 = 72.4"
G87 M2 = 74.3"???

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Yeah, that dude doesn't know what he's talking about. Here are some dimensions of other M cars vs their non M counterparts. The M240 is already wide and the g87 will be almost 2" wider.

Here are the widths without mirrors:
G80/G82 M3/M4 = 74.3"
G20 M340 = 71.9"

F87 M2 = 73.0"
F22 M240 = 69.8"

E82 1M = 71.0"
E82 135 = 68.8"

G42 M240 = 72.4"
G87 M2 = 74.3"???

+1

[Artemis]

Compilation of the testimonials in this thread:

Originally Posted by HiFi

Hey all
just spent about 40 minutes with the BMW reps at the Motorclassica show in Melbourne Australia going over the M2.

Im fortunate to do quite a lot of work with BMW in Australia so was able to get a fairly unfiltered and private look at the car.

No photos sorry as phones had to be stored before entering, ill do my best to explain what i saw, and feel free to ask questions if I leave anything out.

Ill start by saing that the leaked photos are real - There are no side vents or badging on this M2, or any other body parts that havent been revealed yet. Mirror caps are also indeed body colour.

They have definately gone for a more "angular" design with the front and rear end, the car has a lot of body line creases and quite a pronoucned and blocky front appearance on teh front bar (exactly like the leak from the other day with the 2 guys standing next to it.)
You can see they have tried to marry this with the bulky rear end bumper.

The side sills and the flared front and rear wheel arches are the most impressive thing of the design for me, they are nice and chunky. Definately a missed opportuntiy for BMW to not have a "feature" vent to the rear of the front wheel arches.

There is a boot lip spoiler (body coloured) that is similar to the previous F8x generation.

Front Grills are stretched quite a long way across the front end and are set back off the bodywork, like the M3 and M4. The front headlights are only single lamp not double, which is probably the thing i dislike most about the car to be honest

The Zandvoort Blue is a very very powdery blue, think the lightest shade of Yas Marina. Its lighter even that Hyundai performance blue. I dont think its a great hero colour for the car, and i do think the car will look better in other colours.

Inside, you will find idrive 8 as we all know, and also got to sit in and look at the carbon buckets, the carbon buckets are black with m colour striping throughout. They are the same seat as M3/M4 but in an M2 specific design. What is different however is the leather finish, they didnt feel like merino.

ON the broader interior, you can notice more decontenting from the M3 and M4 in terms of door trims and dash, which is soft plastics or sensatec pieces, rather than leather.

The tri colour "m" graphic on the inner door cards that is on the G42 M240i is also on the M2. Rear seat area almost identical to F87 M2.

Steering wheel is identical to M3 and M4 and the car still has M1 and M2 buttons.

Wheels were the matt black 826M in a staggered 19/20 setup (again see the theme here, same as M3 and M4) with other finishes also available on launch.

Weight wise, the rep said to expect about 1650kg (roughly 3630 lbs) for the manual. Brakes are same 6 pot front/floating rear caliper as the G8x. S58 is also the same, but different engine map.
EDIT - BMW AU just confirmed 335kw (450 hp). will add torque when i know.

It does look better in person - and this is definately a different M2 than the one that preceeded it both in terms of design and capability - and thats OK. Up to the market now to decide but IMO it will grow on people quickly - and they will sell - make no mistake about that.

If i have left anything out or want me to comment on anything else, let me know.

UPDATED WITH MORE:

The rear end is again, angular, and will be the most polarising part for most people.

I think with the wider body, the lights are no longer an issue for me, but that could be because I was distracted by the blocks below each rear light lol

The leaks make the section above the exhausts look a bit bare and unfinished, but in person that part looked fine, its the boxyness of bodywork to the left and right of the exhaust trim finishes that are going to be the polarising part for most people.

Ill also add the front and rear sensors feel like they are a bit of an afterthought, where they had to adjust the shape of the rear reflector housing to fit a larger, round, sensor in.

The front end also has square overhangs in the left and right intake ducts that house the sensors. They definately could have done better with the integration here.

Please dont take as confirmation, but:
- Zandvoort Blue
- Toronto Red
- Brooklyn Grey
- Black Sapphire Metallic
- Alpine White

Originally Posted by Hash

Hi All,

I don’t want to hijack this thread (happy to start a separate one) but I was also fortunate enough to spend a solid half hour today with the new M2 and the Australian BMW reps at the Motorclassica show in Melbourne.

I was also joined by two friends who both currently own an F87.

First impressions were the recent leaked photos do not do this car any justice. The car looks great however there is a fair bit going on with the aggressive angles on front bar and around the grills; more so than the rear bar. Its definitely something different and unique compared to the smooth and fairly flat lines we’ve seen on everything e46 onwards.

Key Likes:
- overall body and flared arches are imposing and will look great on the road
- side profile is great and whilst it lacks side grilles it gives the car a much cleaner finish
- interior is spot on aside from the average idrive8 and leverages key m3/4 parts such as seats and wheel etc; I didn’t notice the leather on the seats however didn’t feel like merino
- rear bar isn’t as aggressive in real life and works with the protruding rear lights
- wheel design are great and come with a staggered 19” and 20” setup

Dislikes:
- single internal headlights loses the historical bmw appeal
- 100mm diameter exhausts felt a bit large but thatÂ’s subjective
- Zandervort blue has to be one of worst colours bmw has released let alone attempted to pitch as the hero colour; does no favour for the car.

Colours that hifi shared are correct with interior being either black or cognac - note the optional carbon buckets are not all black and had swatches of blue leather etc

Sounds like individual paints will eventually be available but not at release which is a shame as the colour palette is fairly limited - give us a proper blue/navy and a green

My understanding is they’ve already produced close to two dozen cars in different colours; so we’ll be able to see what the car looks like in a more digestible colour come the 12th.

Subjective, but we all walked out saying we would be keen to get one; this will be the last ICE M car with e46 proportions….just need individual colours to come into effect to make the car that extra bit special.

Originally Posted by andrewt

I saw the car in Melbourne today also. A manual in ZB. There were many people being shown the car although no phones were allowed. The car looks very aggressive and will definitely make the current M2 look plain by comparison. I saw a current M2 outside afterwards and it instantly looked less aggressive than I had previously thought.
The rear looks good to me and the angles look better in reality than in the pics that I've seen. I agree with the original poster's comments about the rear especially around the reflector area. The black diffuser is also more visible than in the pics which helps as it seems to disappear in the pics.
I also agree with the comments about the parking sensors especially at the front where they look like an afterthought and have had to have black plastic blocks added to push them out from under the bumper. I felt that the front kidney(?) grilles was the least appealing part of the design as the black grilles looks too set back from the edges.
I liked the side which looks clean and aggressive without the vents. Those fat sills and wide front guards in particular look great. The slim profile of the side windows looks very sporty.
Interior looks great and those carbon seats (said to be the only option in Australia) look amazing. Small patches of blue toward the shoulder area and flashes of red in the lower cutout. Steering wheel looked small diameter but not sure if it's the same as M3/4.

Originally Posted by pw4

Just to add:
I took a look (with the public) at the Motorclassica M2 today. A few things to add:
- I'm 99% sure the flared guards are the same as other 2er, or put another way, all 2ers get the M2 guards. But the panel under the door on the M2 is different and wider. There are no guard extensions as seen on some European sports pack M240i s.
- blue paint is non-metallic, surprisingly.
- tyres on this example were 275/19 front, 285/20 rear Michelin PS4S.
- rear end looks better in person than in the photos I've seen before.
- grille opening is passive (as expected). Grille and lower grille are both gloss black, along with centre of brake duct intakes. Also rear diffuser area.
- headlights are the black shadow-line lights (as expected) ie not the ones with the gold trim
- carbon fibre roof
- carbon fibre trim on dash and centre console
- I think the rear spoiler is the same as on M240i

[Game]

Mostly positive reviews!

Thanks to everyone that shared their honest opinion.

[Tag]

Bimmerpost is gonna blow the F up soon. People are going to lose their minds.

Can't wait.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Tag

Bimmerpost is gonna blow the F up soon. People are going to lose their minds.

Can't wait.

Is Tuesday (US) confirmed as the official launch date now?

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Tag

Bimmerpost is gonna blow the F up soon. People are going to lose their minds.

Can't wait.

Exactly. My guess is that many of the "loudest" posters here be backtracking (or just going silent) once we see it live and in other -- non ZB "baby" blue -- colors.

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by Luca Riffer

After seeing the new M2 pics and reading the thread comments, I went out to the parking lot and patted my 1M VO. Such a nice rear end, such a growling front end, and weighs in at 3300 lbs. It seems that M Division magic from 2011 has yet to be recaptured.

F87 M2C looks worlds better than the 1M 🤷🏽*♂️ performs better too.
Opinions are sour huh?

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by pw4

I know it uses the M3/4 suspension, but the M3 is only 50mm wider than the standard G42. Looking at the car and at pictures, I really can't see a difference in the shape and width of the flared guards. You'd think they would have to be 25mm wider per side (unless maybe a different wheel offset to fit the suspension under the guards, or something????). Maybe the M2 flares are wider, but if they are there's not much in it. Not like the previous generation M2 which was visibly much more flared than the F22.

Well so far you're the only person who's said that it's not wide

[pw4]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Well so far you're the only person who's said that it's not wide

hehe. Actually, I never said it wasn't wide - it totally is, and its stance looks great. I'm only saying the G42 is already really wide, with wide flares, and I think the M2 body is the same. Or maybe I'm wrong and it's just a small amount more flared.
Anyway, we'll see when the official specs come out. I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong if the numbers say so.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by solstice

Is Tuesday (US) confirmed as the official launch date now?

Technically it's Wednesday Oct 12th in Germany (ECST), but they are 6hrs ahead of EDT, 7hrs ahead of CDT and 9hrs ahead of PDT.

If we go by the XM reveal it would mean the M2 would be revealed right at midnight ECST which in the US would be Tuesday October 11th...

• 6pm EDT
• 5pm CDT
• 3pm PDT

[anitasanger]

Originally Posted by Tag

Technically it's Wednesday Oct 12th in Germany (ECST), but they are 6hrs ahead of EDT, 7hrs ahead of CDT and 9hrs ahead of PDT.

If we go by the XM reveal it would mean the M2 would be revealed right at midnight ECST which in the US would be Tuesday October 11th...

• 6pm EDT
• 5pm CDT
• 3pm PDT

Great info! How do we watch these theatrics live? Is there a web link or something we can tune into? I'm excited!

[Game]

Originally Posted by anitasanger

Great info! How do we watch these theatrics live? Is there a web link or something we can tune into? I'm excited!

We don't think there will be a live event. Just a press release, pics and maybe a couple of videos.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by Game

We don't think there will be a live event. Just a press release, pics and maybe a couple of videos.

and hopefully a spec sheet!

[HiFi]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Exactly. My guess is that many of the "loudest" posters here be backtracking (or just going silent) once we see it live and in other -- non ZB "baby" blue -- colors.

This....

BTW I have more info coming soon (beyond just press release)

[HiFi]

Originally Posted by pw4

hehe. Actually, I never said it wasn't wide - it totally is, and its stance looks great. I'm only saying the G42 is already really wide, with wide flares, and I think the M2 body is the same. Or maybe I'm wrong and it's just a small amount more flared.
Anyway, we'll see when the official specs come out. I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong if the numbers say so.

Very confident it's wider everywhere.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by HiFi

This....

BTW I have more info coming soon (beyond just press release)

Patiently waiting....

[O5E46M3]

So anyone else think the missing side vents/trim whatever you call it these days was left off so the CS will have something to visually standout more? Perhaps this time round the CS won't get a custom hood.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by Ctothej

Patiently waiting....how soon is soon? Seconds? Minutes? Hours?

I mean impatiently waiting.

[Game]

Originally Posted by HiFi

This....

BTW I have more info coming soon (beyond just press release)

Info before the release?

[David.m]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Unless you live at the track perpetually driving 10/10ths and consumables are an important discussion, the weight thing is pure magazine racing BS. Go drive a CLAR M car like a G80 before assuming anything about the G87 drive based on a spec sheet.

For daily or the red light racers yes the weight is overcome with the extra torque/HP, for track or good twisty roads though you're under-appreciating the affect of the substantial weight gain. Because weight isn't an issue for one buyer doesn't mean it won't be a genuine & real issue for another.

You mention the G80, do you know Apex have gone back to the F80 for their Ring Taxi. Their G80 RWD was getting half the tyre mileage compared to F80 and so were the front brakes though with some cooling mods brake pad life improved significantly. Yes this is solid track use but valid information for anyone who will track a G87, the weight gains from F80 to G80 will be comparable to F87 to G87. Putting on some TW200 or semi tyres and doing some solid 20-30 min sessions will be very different to the youtubers doing a lap or 2 and handing the car back.

On road the oem spec PS4S are very soft, I've had a set of the G80 front 275/35/19's and they picked up rocks/road debris like my A052/RE71RS track tyres and gave 50% of the mileage I've had from 3 previous sets of generic PS4S's. You won't need to be doing DCT launches or burn-outs to get less than 10K km from a set of oem tyres.

///M cars used to be about the corners rather than straight line speed, seems that now they have just filled the spot left vacant by AMG going over 2ton

I'm very suspect of the sales rep suggesting 'around 1650kg', the M4CSL with all it's $$$ weight savings is 1625kg. Hope I'm proven wrong.