[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by minn19

Except for everytime HAM or someone else reset fastest lap, he responded almost every time on the next lap to get it back.

That automatically happens if you want to keep the gap constant.
Anyway, everyone could see that VER easily pulled away after the safetycar situation and then kept the gap constant. That means he could go faster than he was, and as he didn't he spared the equipment.
If the tyres would have deterioared, it would have shown in his lap times, not in blowing up a tyre.
You can also clearly see that after the crash, the surface of the tyres (the areas that weren't affected by the crash) still look in pretty good shape.
This is clearly a structural problem and not a wear problem.

That no one came in during safetycar is logical. At that time no one knew that it could be a structural problem. Hindsight 20/20 is always so easy, but if the crashed car is still on the track, no one knows anything.
You have to take that into account.

Only after VER crashed, again without any reason, the notion came that it could be a structural problem.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

That automatically happens if you want to keep the gap constant.
Anyway, everyone could see that VER easily pulled away after the safetycar situation and then kept the gap constant. That means he could go faster than he was, and as he didn't he spared the equipment.
If the tyres would have deterioared, it would have shown in his lap times, not in blowing up a tyre.
You can also clearly see that after the crash, the surface of the tyres (the areas that weren't affected by the crash) still look in pretty good shape.
This is clearly a structural problem and not a wear problem.

That no one came in during safetycar is logical. At that time no one knew that it could be a structural problem. Hindsight 20/20 is always so easy, but if the crashed car is still on the track, no one knows anything.
You have to take that into account.

Only after VER crashed, again without any reason, the notion came that it could be a structural problem.

I disagree with when the notion should of and did come up. I guarantee it was on every team principles mind and most thought it was going to happen to someone again during the race. There is recent historical issues with Pirelli and this happening.

RB/VER and the rest of the leaders gambled it wouldn't happen to them. As said, RB/VER lost on the gamble and that is racing.

They got lucky HAM made a rare error and left with the best possible result after their DNF. And for the rest of us it is good because the WDC is so close for once. It would be cool if they both double DNF'd again and PER could sneak in and make it a three way battle. I know this most likely won't happen, but as a general fan of F1 it would be fun.

[GuidoK]

I call hindsight 20/20
Also because none of the radio chatter points to this. Only after VER's crash the speculations came, and Horner himself said stuff over the radio

And in what race recently were there random multiple tyre blowouts without tyres being worn to virtually 100%?

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I call hindsight 20/20
Also because none of the radio chatter points to this. Only after VER's crash the speculations came, and Horner himself said stuff over the radio

And in what race recently were there random multiple tyre blowouts without tyres being worn to virtually 100%?

Silverstone 2020

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Silverstone 2020

yeah but those tyres were much more worn, and Isola (pirelli) said that there were punctures before the failure of the tyres (which didn't happen in baku, Horner explicitly said that, maybe because of this), so yes issues, but different.
However I think both happened with the hard tyres (the problems in the race at least). Coincidence or not?
Pirelli says they changed the design of the internal structure after silverstone.

[racerbruce]

Pirelli say debris likely cause of STR and VER crashes....

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...tO6YTz3Kq.html

If this is true, this means the prior shunts that left a carbon fibre debris field on-track were most likely missed during cleanup by corner workers.

Usually the corner workers are using brooms (archaic) and taking way too long (race delay) during a cleanup.

Perhaps this is a better solution to ensure a more effective clean racing surface and a significant time saver if 3-4 of these were dispatched to a cleanup area:
https://www.google.com/search?q=comm...73910203190390

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

Pirelli say debris likely cause of STR and VER crashes....

VER predicted yesterday that Pirelli would say that

But as Horner said, there were no prior vibrations or changes in pressure. You'd expect that if you'd hit debris about 5 sec earlier (Stroll's crash site) and subsequently have an exploding tyre.

I'm sure Pirelli is getting to the bottom of this. Eventually
(I'm sure they don't want another tyrecompetitor in F1 which could happen if enough teams press on this matter I reckon...)

[yco]

Horner is messing with the wrong guy still.. Wolff is one of the smartest leaders ever in paddock.. not this era one of the best ever.. intelligence wise, leading wise, and human side wise..

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Both deflations, Strolls and Max's happened at high speed over 310kph so the whole tyre construction is suspect at over 300kph ''with the neg camber that teams use'' but there's not a lot Pirelli can do now.
For safety reasons teams may have to adjust wheel camber to more neutral as the problem seems to be the inside edge giving way with the excessive heat caused to carcass at that speed.

He hit 316kph, then boom.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

He hit 316kph, then boom.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by yco

Horner is messing with the wrong guy still.. Wolff is one of the smartest leaders ever in paddock.. not this era one of the best ever.. intelligence wise, leading wise, and human side wise..

Sorry but

[yco]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Sorry but

i see why you like Horner and Red Bull my friend..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by yco

i see why you like Horner and Red Bull my friend..

I'll celebrate the day you come over to RB my friend,Merc AMG isn't the one all to end all.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

That automatically happens if you want to keep the gap constant.
Anyway, everyone could see that VER easily pulled away after the safetycar situation and then kept the gap constant. That means he could go faster than he was, and as he didn't he spared the equipment.
If the tyres would have deterioared, it would have shown in his lap times, not in blowing up a tyre.
You can also clearly see that after the crash, the surface of the tyres (the areas that weren't affected by the crash) still look in pretty good shape.
This is clearly a structural problem and not a wear problem.

That no one came in during safetycar is logical. At that time no one knew that it could be a structural problem. Hindsight 20/20 is always so easy, but if the crashed car is still on the track, no one knows anything.
You have to take that into account.

Only after VER crashed, again without any reason, the notion came that it could be a structural problem.

Why would you keep applying pressure from the front with 6 laps left, a 5 or so second lead AND a tail gunner.

I'm sorry but this is a poor decision considering they had information on STRs tire failure earlier. If I'm the TP, I dial it back and cruise across the line.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Why would you keep applying pressure from the front with 6 laps left, a 5 or so second lead AND a tail gunner.

I'm sorry but this is a poor decision considering they had information on STRs tire failure earlier. If I'm the TP, I dial it back and cruise across the line.

Armchair quarterbacking an F1 race engineer. In the immortal words of the POTUS, "Come on, man!"

[SenorFunkyPants]

At least the correct Red Bull driver won the race...I knew that Perez would have a super long pit stop to make sure he didn't come out ahead of Verstappen and Red Bull did exactly that.
Zero f***s given that Verstappen don't win but at least Hamilton evened up the score by knocking on the magic switch.
Roll on to the next one.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

At least the correct Red Bull driver won the race...I knew that Perez would have a super long pit stop to make sure he didn't come out ahead of Verstappen and Red Bull did exactly that.
Zero f***s given that Verstappen don't win but at least Hamilton evened up the score by knocking on the magic switch.
Roll on to the next one.

Are you saying that RBR would sabotage their #2 driver to benefit their #1! SAY IT AINT SO. lol.
Yeah, I saw it coming too when it looked like Perez was going to overcut him.
Im sure Horner says it was just an honest mistake from the team consistently doing sub-2sec stops.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Are you saying that RBR would sabotage their #2 driver to benefit their #1! SAY IT AINT SO. lol.
Yeah, I saw it coming too when it looked like Perez was going to overcut him.
Im sure Horner says it was just an honest mistake from the team consistently doing sub-2sec stops.

Multi twenty-one, Sergio.

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Why would you keep applying pressure from the front with 6 laps left, a 5 or so second lead AND a tail gunner.

I'm sorry but this is a poor decision considering they had information on STRs tire failure earlier. If I'm the TP, I dial it back and cruise across the line.

In 30 years of watching F1, I've never seen the race leader lift because of a possible tyre blowup.
Lifting because of tyre degradation management or fuel management? Hell yeah but not because of an impending puncture. If they knew the tyre would blow up they would have retired the car but of course they had no clue.

Very unfair to blame RB/Max for this. The fact that he set the FL is also no proof of him pushing - the fuel load simply got minimal towards the end of the race.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Why would you keep applying pressure from the front with 6 laps left, a 5 or so second lead AND a tail gunner.

Because something can also happen to your tail gunner. (all it takes is that one DRS attempt that happens to work...)
Having a ~5 sec lead gives you some room for error.
No race leader lets that 5sec gap diminish to 1sec on purpose.

Originally Posted by EdM5

If they knew the tyre would blow up they would have retired the car but of course they had no clue.

Only MKSixer had a clue. That's why he hangs out on this forum and accomplished engineers that know nothing are on the payroll of RB
Didn't you see his post here prior to the accident where he warned us about it going to happen? Oh wait...

Bachelor's wives and maid's children are well taught I guess.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by tdott

Yes he made a big mistake, but he owned up to it right away.

No excuses, back peddling or stories.

What ? You can't be serious ..
I heard many excuses and stories in 7Hammy's interviews regarding his stupid lock up !
In other words : How he managed to f@ck it completely up...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by EdM5

In 30 years of watching F1, I've never seen the race leader lift because of a possible tyre blowup.
Lifting because of tyre degradation management or fuel management? Hell yeah but not because of an impending puncture. If they knew the tyre would blow up they would have retired the car but of course they had no clue.

Very unfair to blame RB/Max for this. The fact that he set the FL is also no proof of him pushing - the fuel load simply got minimal towards the end of the race.

How about this ?