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      10-18-2021, 07:09 PM   #34717
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The Hellcat Durango is a thing though.
Another SUV. Again, not a mini-van.
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      10-18-2021, 07:37 PM   #34718
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I will never buy a minivan. I don't care what the situation is. We will take 2 separate cars as opposed to a minivan.
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I will never buy a minivan. I don't care what the situation is. We will take 2 separate cars as opposed to a minivan.
My other car at the time was a Supra.
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      10-18-2021, 07:47 PM   #34720
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I will never, ever understand the north american hate for minivans. X5 too small? Unless you're towing anything larger is better served by a minivan, it is that simple.
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I will never, ever understand the north american hate for minivans. X5 too small? Unless you're towing anything larger is better served by a minivan, it is that simple.
No doubt a minivan is much more convenient. But I absolutely hate the way they look, I hate how they drive, and I hate what they represent. I'll gladly take a couple extra minutes of inconvenience for loading/unloading to have something that I can feel good about driving.
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      10-18-2021, 08:19 PM   #34722
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Minivans get a bad rap in the cool department, but they are very functional.

I've been waiting for one of the car companies to make a minivan model that was actually cool with a great design, great suspension, premium components. Like X5 or similar level but on a minivan platform for functionality. So far as I know, that has not happened.
I happen to think my minivan was pretty cool....



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      10-18-2021, 08:23 PM   #34723
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      10-18-2021, 08:40 PM   #34724
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I will never buy a minivan. I don't care what the situation is. We will take 2 separate cars as opposed to a minivan.

This is my thinking too. What an opportunity for a car company to figure it out and design a cool car with minivan-like functionality (lower, easy in and out, sliding side door). The car company that wins this one will start from scratch, possibly eliminating the transverse engine and front-wheel drive. I'm sure it could be done and if done right, it would sell like hotcakes.

Edit: I see the Hellcat and the Mercedes as examples of cool minivans. They may be cool, but that's not going to be a game changer like the original minivan was in its day or the VW van before it. Just adding huge horsepower and suspension is not for the mass market. Mercedes-level pricing is not going to do it either. I'm thinking that a car company can figure out a way to market a mid-priced minivan-like featured complete redesign. To do that, the transverse engine with front wheel design has to go IMO. Maybe a rear engine transaxle platform? Who knows. I think there is a big market for those who like minivan space and ease of entry but hate the uncool the current platforms.

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I happen to think my minivan was pretty cool....




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      10-18-2021, 08:43 PM   #34726
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I happen to think my minivan was pretty cool....
Can you drive it directly into/out of the lake???
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I will never, ever understand the north american hate for minivans. X5 too small? Unless you're towing anything larger is better served by a minivan, it is that simple.
It is that simple, but simple logic does not seem to apply when making car choices.

That said, minivans are all over the place so somebody must be buying them. They just aren't cool.
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Some people think autocorrect is cool.
Some people think being a spelling sheriff is cool.

I'm pretty certian I"m going to make another speling errer, so you can be redy to help me ougt. thanx.
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I'm pretty certian I"m going to make another speling errer, so you can be redy to help me ougt. thanx.
Not me 'cause I use autocorrect. Duh...
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I owned 3 of them when my kids were little.

I also coached Little League for several years and constantly picked up kids and took them to practice and then home again.
Minivans get a bad rap in the cool department, but they are very functional.

I've been waiting for one of the car companies to make a minivan model that was actually cool with a great design, great suspension, premium components. Like X5 or similar level but on a minivan platform for functionality. So far as I know, that has not happened.
It's not x5 level but I recently watched a review for the 2022 Kia Carnival which is considered a minivan.
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It's not x5 level but I recently watched a review for the 2022 Kia Carnival which is considered a minivan.
I just watched a review. This is the direction I think minivans need to go to increase their cool points. Loaded with feature, doesn't look like a minivan, priced in the minivan price range.

Of course, it comes from South Korea. Like Japan gained a foothold while the Big 3 were sleeping, South Korea is giving the Japanese a run for their money. All of this is good for the consumer.
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Another SUV. Again, not a mini-van.
I know, but it was in reply to my previous post about the Pacifica Hellcat, which is rumoured but who knows if it will ever get built.
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No doubt a minivan is much more convenient. But I absolutely hate the way they look, I hate how they drive, and I hate what they represent. I'll gladly take a couple extra minutes of inconvenience for loading/unloading to have something that I can feel good about driving.
I still don't get it.

I will grant you look, they don't bother me but each to his own. But drive? A 7 seater SUV is not any better, they all stink to drive. Same for represent, they all represent the same exact thing, you've ball and chained yourself.

I don't get it.
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I still don't get it.

I will grant you look, they don't bother me but each to his own. But drive? A 7 seater SUV is not any better, they all stink to drive. Same for represent, they all represent the same exact thing, you've ball and chained yourself.

I don't get it.
An X7 M50i with dynamic handling package is not any better than a chrysler pacifica?

Hell even my X5 40i with that silky smooth b58 drives significantly better than any minivan I've ever driven. It handles better, it's quicker, and you drop it in sports+ mode - the air suspension lowers itself down a notch, stiffens up, the side bolsters in the seat shift to provide more lateral support, throttle response is sharpened.

C'mon now....
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I happen to think my minivan was pretty cool....



I seen this earlier today, a minivan with a bumper sticker that made me think of the past few minivan post.
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