[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by mpimping

Pre workout you want to stay away from sugar but you don't want to be hungry during your workout. After workout take your shake w banana a eat lots of pasta.

Actually sugar helps transport proteins thruought the body, bad advice!

I didnt read the whole thread, but this all depends on what your goals are! If you are trying to build mass you need 2 grams of protein per every pound you weigh, so if you are 200 lbs you need 400 grams a day! This doesnt have to be shakes, it can be meats, fish, chicken, etc. Also when you drink your shakes take a Teaspoon of peanutbutter as well, this will help transport the protein. Also when you are finished with your workout you should also replenish your carbs, I would maybe eat a sweet potato or something with complex carbs. The most important thing is knowing how to work out properly, when to workout the body part and rest! Make sure you get rest!!!!!!!!
Ontop of protein your chaloric intake has to increase to almost double what you are used to. This is called a dirty bulk. When you are finished you can trim it all back up, ending with a physique you hope you enjoy.
I like Cytogainer. Muscle milk is good, but it is a lil heavier on sugar than others hence the taste is really good.
Just a heads up, if you are serious about bodybuilding be careful with supps, sometimes they are worse for you than roids if you do not know what you are doing. Make sure you read up on P.C's and Serms before trying anything too serious or you can really mess up your test levels! Anabolicminds.com will provide you with some very serious bodybuilders who know their shit!

Good Luck!

[Turbo>NA]

As far as being sore with muscles, what should I do?

Besides resting or taking a nap and a hot shower. What else can I do?

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

As far as being sore with muscles, what should I do?

Besides resting or taking a nap and a hot shower. What else can I do?

Nothing.. This is why I work out every other day and avoid doing things like chest and shoulders within a two day period. Once you get into the hang of things you won't be as sore. Of course there are things out there that will make you recover a lot faster but I don't suggest you go that route.

OH YEA ONE THING
KEEP YOUR PROTEIN INTAKE HIGH AND YOUR DIET ON POINT!!! That's the best advice I can give you when it comes to recovery. If you have a steady flow of nutrients you will recover a lot faster.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

As far as being sore with muscles, what should I do?

Besides resting or taking a nap and a hot shower. What else can I do?

Listen being sore is all part of it. When you lift heavy you tear muscle then they recoop, they grow, this is why you need rest! Rest is the best source for helping with being sore.
Are you on any type of split or what?
Also make sure you are getting your aminos, most of which will come by way of good red meats.

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

Actually sugar helps transport proteins thruought the body, bad advice!

I didnt read the whole thread, but this all depends on what your goals are! If you are trying to build mass you need 2 grams of protein per every pound you weigh, so if you are 200 lbs you need 400 grams a day!

That is one philosophy. I actually do have a very high protein diet, but I would highlight that there are a lot of trainers that would not recommend this much protein. Some of them are very well known - like Charles Glass.

Ontop of protein your chaloric intake has to increase to almost double what you are used to. This is called a dirty bulk. When you are finished you can trim it all back up, ending with a physique you hope you enjoy.
I like Cytogainer. Muscle milk is good, but it is a lil heavier on sugar than others hence the taste is really good.
Just a heads up, if you are serious about bodybuilding be careful with supps, sometimes they are worse for you than roids if you do not know what you are doing. Make sure you read up on P.C's and Serms before trying anything too serious or you can really mess up your test levels! Anabolicminds.com will provide you with some very serious bodybuilders who know their shit!

Good Luck!

Again, this is one strategy. I don't think you need to double your caloric intake to build muscle effectively. It is also going to vary greatly based on the person's metabolism, body type, etc. Doing a "dirty bulk", and then cutting down is one strategy sure, but it is not the only way and may not be the best for many people.

I definitely agree on supps - there is a TON of poison out there.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Make sure you eat about an hour or some before the gym.. Have a small well blanaced meal, this will ensure you will have enough energy to get you through your work out. Just don't eat to much or else you'll start to feel slugglish.

I say an hour at least, sometimes 2, depending on what you eat and what your workout is. If you have a very intense aerobic workout, you might need more time to digest. I do, at least.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

That is one philosophy. I actually do have a very high protein diet, but I would highlight that there are a lot of trainers that would not recommend this much protein. Some of them are very well known - like Charles Glass.




Again, this is one strategy. I don't think you need to double your caloric intake to build muscle effectively. It is also going to vary greatly based on the person's metabolism, body type, etc. Doing a "dirty bulk", and then cutting down is one strategy sure, but it is not the only way and may not be the best for many people.

I definitely agree on supps - there is a TON of poison out there.

Great points have been made here.

Of course these are just my experiences, they are not Gospel. Everyone's body is different and what may work for me may not work for you. These are also for serious gainers, not for the timid and the not so serious builders.

You are from Pittsburgh as well?

[Turbo>NA]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Nothing.. This is why I work out every other day and avoid doing things like chest and shoulders within a two day period. Once you get into the hang of things you won't be as sore. Of course there are things out there that will make you recover a lot faster but I don't suggest you go that route.

OH YEA ONE THING
KEEP YOUR PROTEIN INTAKE HIGH AND YOUR DIET ON POINT!!! That's the best advice I can give you when it comes to recovery. If you have a steady flow of nutrients you will recover a lot faster.

I take high protein and a strict diet. You dont recommend glutamin?

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

Listen being sore is all part of it. When you lift heavy you tear muscle then they recoop, they grow, this is why you need rest! Rest is the best source for helping with being sore.
Are you on any type of split or what?
Also make sure you are getting your aminos, most of which will come by way of good red meats.

Yea I kno that, but this is pain!

I have a steam room, does that help? I sleep 7-8 hours a day. I eat a lot of protein. I have no idea what "split," means?

and I take glutamin with my protein shakes

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

You are from Pittsburgh as well?

Yes sir.

[Spec 1]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

I have no idea what "split," means?

I believe he's talking about a split workout. My buddy got me started on one of those when I began hitting the gym more regularly. Essentially you "split" your workout and hit different parts of the body each day. Biceps & abs one day, chest & triceps the next, back the next, legs the next, then repeat (example).

It has really helped with the recovery pain, because each part has an opportunity to recover before you're excercising it again, yet you're still hitting each part throughout the week.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

I take high protein and a strict diet. You dont recommend glutamin?




Yea I kno that, but this is pain!

I have a steam room, does that help? I sleep 7-8 hours a day. I eat a lot of protein. I have no idea what "split," means?

and I take glutamin with my protein shakes

glutamin will help! A split is how your spread your workout throughout the week.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Spec 1

I believe he's talking about a split workout. My buddy got me started on one of those when I began hitting the gym more regularly. Essentially you "split" your workout and hit different parts of the body each day. Biceps & abs one day, chest & triceps the next, back the next, legs the next, then repeat (example).

It has really helped with the recovery pain, because each part has an opportunity to recover before you're excercising it again, yet you're still hitting each part throughout the week.

Correct!

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Yes sir.

Sweet I am in the North hills (wexford). I work out at the Oxford Athletic Club. You?

[Turbo>NA]

Originally Posted by Spec 1

I believe he's talking about a split workout. My buddy got me started on one of those when I began hitting the gym more regularly. Essentially you "split" your workout and hit different parts of the body each day. Biceps & abs one day, chest & triceps the next, back the next, legs the next, then repeat (example).

It has really helped with the recovery pain, because each part has an opportunity to recover before you're excercising it again, yet you're still hitting each part throughout the week.

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

glutamin will help! A split is how your spread your workout throughout the week.

Then yes I do the split workout.

I do it with my personal trainer and I cant feel my arms. Yesterday we did chest/bi's and today we are doing tri's/shoulders. I hate this --__--

[Turbo>NA]

My old work out was

bi's/tris day 1
chest/shoulders day 2
Upper back/lower back day 3
abs/cardio day 4

the rest of the week I would take off.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

Then yes I do the split workout.

I do it with my personal trainer and I cant feel my arms. Yesterday we did chest/bi's and today we are doing tri's/shoulders. I hate this --__--

um - chest/bi's? Never did that one, I always did Chest / Tris. When you are pressing weight on bench you are also working Tri's so essentially you are working Chest / Bi's / Tri's all in one day then the next day doing Shoulders / Tri's, so you are hitting Tri's twice in two days, not very good idea unless I am missing something.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

My old work out was

bi's/tris day 1
chest/shoulders day 2
Upper back/lower back day 3
abs/cardio day 4

the rest of the week I would take off.

This is a much better split, but I would go Mon - Bi's / Tri's, Tues - off, Wed - Chest / Shoulder, Thur - Back, Fri - off, Sat - Legs, and fit abs in where I could. Legs are essential to growth! Sunday Cardio.

[Turbo>NA]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

um - chest/bi's? Never did that one, I always did Chest / Tris. When you are pressing weight on bench you are also working Tri's so essentially you are working Chest / Bi's / Tri's all in one day then the next day doing Shoulders / Tri's, so you are hitting Tri's twice in two days, not very good idea unless I am missing something.

Idno man, I just shut my mouth and listen to what he says. He has my ideal body so Im following his foot steps but I cant take it lol. So much pain.

[dpwr]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

My old work out was

bi's/tris day 1
chest/shoulders day 2
Upper back/lower back day 3
abs/cardio day 4

the rest of the week I would take off.

that's a bad schedule, this would be better
day1 chest/legs
day2 off
day3 bi's/tri's
day4 cardio/abs
day5 sholders/back

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

um - chest/bi's? Never did that one, I always did Chest / Tris. When you are pressing weight on bench you are also working Tri's so essentially you are working Chest / Bi's / Tri's all in one day then the next day doing Shoulders / Tri's, so you are hitting Tri's twice in two days, not very good idea unless I am missing something.

Some trainers actually do recommend that - occasionally, to shock the muscle. I've done it before just to mix things up. Like I'll do back and chest one day (which is brutal), then do arms the next - obviously my bis and tris got worked the day before also. I think the body can take almost anything you can throw at it, but rest is key as you point out. Of course, making sure you aren't damaging joints or totally overworking muscles is key too!

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

Sweet I am in the North hills (wexford). I work out at the Oxford Athletic Club. You?

That's a very nice place, and ummm, nice scenery ; ) Plus you can catch James Harrison crushing weights their occasionally! I had a friend that belonged there so I went a couple of times.

I'm in Fox Chapel, but I've lived a few places in/around town. I workout up by work (Cranberry) at the Fitness Factory. It's decent enough and my work subsidizes it so it is only $15 a month! Can't beat that...

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

Idno man, I just shut my mouth and listen to what he says. He has my ideal body so Im following his foot steps but I cant take it lol. So much pain.

Pain is just weakness leaving the body. Enjoy it, that pain you're feeling is just making you stronger. Just man up and suck it up..