[angel_grin]

BMW: You need to subscribe to unlock good looks for the g87. 😂

[David.m]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Torque is the main reason

But the Lotus being 300kg or so lighter doesn't need the G87's torque not to mention it will steer better & likely ride better (suspension not having to control all that extra mass), corner and stop better.

I'm a little surprised more people aren't upset over the G87's significant weight increase, for me it's the worst thing about the car. Yes for normal commuter driving it won't make a difference but get on some tight twisty roads it won't be as nimble and will chew up tyres.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by David.m

But the Lotus being 300kg or so lighter doesn't need the G87's torque not to mention it will steer better & likely ride better (suspension not having to control all that extra mass), corner and stop better.

I'm a

Ok, good for you ... you can buy a Lotus.

I have ZERO plans to do so, but whatever floats your boat.

[David.m]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Ok, good for you ... you can buy a Lotus.

I have ZERO plans to do so, but whatever floats your boat.

assume you read that my post was in response to StickyPickie posting that he wasn't buying the (Lotus) Emira because it's performance won't match the G87? Preferring a G87 over the Emira is fine but thinking it's the better performance car is ignoring fact.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by David.m

But the Lotus being 300kg or so lighter doesn't need the G87's torque not to mention it will steer better & likely ride better (suspension not having to control all that extra mass), corner and stop better.

I'm a little surprised more people aren't upset over the G87's significant weight increase, for me it's the worst thing about the car. Yes for normal commuter driving it won't make a difference but get on some tight twisty roads it won't be as nimble and will chew up tyres.

The M2 weight was actually always an issue which was compensated by the power increase. Ideally the M2C should weight 1.5k kg, this means also you will loose some comfort. When you had to chose the configuration, going for the Manual gear box, manual seats, no sun roof, no B&O, and the 437 basic rims helped to gain some 50kg…

I would say to compare the M2 with a Lotus is not exactly right. Lotus is more of a race car you can drive on streets, while the M2 is more a street sport car you can use to track … its clear it will never reach an Exige performances but it can come closer with advanced competition suspensions (e.g.KW3) and break pads (Endless) for example … To me it seems that BMW has positioned even more the G87 as a baby GT … while claiming high performances on track.

Despite the really shame design of the G series (and I think the new M2 faces the high criticisms from frustrated M fans still because of the catastrophic M3/4 grills), the M2 G87 is not looking that bad, the S58 is a serious engine that we all dream off and it will potentially offer a good base for a radical street sport cars to battle Porsches and other true sport cars like Lotus … which you would probably not do with AMG C classes or RS3…

I still keep some reserve on few issues like the curved screen that is non sense in a sport car, and how we will be able to configure the car and options other than fancy performances carbon parts to make it a serious player on track …
For the price tag, we know it will increase by 20% at least vs the F87 … like RS3 prices that have pretty much gone up the same …

[gnx]

Let's revisit. Which one looks better.

[Sethhboii]

Originally Posted by gnx

Let's revisit. Which one looks better.

It's too hard to compare until we get a better angle imo. We literally get the worst leak pictures 😂

We are a week and two days out!

[dmboone25]

So are these shots leaks from where it will debut?

This is the launch color?

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

So are these shots leaks from where it will debut?

This is the launch color?

No.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=112


This is Zandvoort Blue which is the launch color.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by anitasanger

My guess is that they'll just go m2, then m2 CSL, which will prob be x-drive…

There willl be no MxDrive for the G87 M2 in any variation

Not sure why your posting that, because it's not happening

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by gnx

Let's revisit. Which one looks better.

Smooth brain type comparison.

[Frosty]

https://www.circuitzandvoort.nl/en/

[anitasanger]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

There willl be no MxDrive for the G87 M2 in any variation

Not sure why your posting that, because it's not happening

I thought it was obvious why I posted it, hence the phrase, "my guess."

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by anitasanger

I thought it was obvious why I posted it, hence the phrase, "my guess."

You guessed wrong

I am just saying

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

There willl be no MxDrive for the G87 M2 in any variation

Not sure why your posting that, because it's not happening

what about this?
https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1945000

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

what about this?
https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1945000

Inconsistencies at best

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Inconsistencies at best

I've been told by insiders that it's currently not in the works, but it's also not conclusively off the table. In other words, it won't happen, until it does.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Tag

I've been told by insiders that it's currently not in the works, but it's also not conclusively off the table. In other words, it won't happen, until it does.

I was told the added ///m bracing will not allow for the addition of xDrive

So it's highly unlikely we're ever going to see it offered on m2

Not sure if that's 100% true but it sounds logical

[anitasanger]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I was told the added ///m bracing will not allow for the addition of xDrive

So it's highly unlikely we're ever going to see it offered on m2

Not sure if that's 100% true but it sounds logical

You seemed 100% confident when you told me that my guess was most assuredly wrong.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I was told the added ///m bracing will not allow for the addition of xDrive

So it's highly unlikely we're ever going to see it offered on m2

Not sure if that's 100% true but it sounds logical

Don't know enough about the difference in fitment between the B58 vs S58 to have an informed opinion on that. Just that they managed to give the M240i xDrive, so unless the S58 is a lot tighter in the engine bay I don't see why they can't do the same for the G87.

[anitasanger]

Originally Posted by Tag

Don't know enough about the difference in fitment between the B58 vs S58 to have an informed opinion on that. Just that they managed to give the M240i xDrive, so unless the S58 is a lot tighter in the engine bay I don't see why they can't do the same for the G87.

I'm sure they can and will. "I was told," typically doesn't carry much weight on a webforum.

Should be an exciting few years.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Tag

Don't know enough about the difference in fitment between the B58 vs S58 to have an informed opinion on that. Just that they managed to give the M240i xDrive, so unless the S58 is a lot tighter in the engine bay I don't see why they can't do the same for the G87.

I also was told it s not a business case

Not everything gets approved