[Tarmac]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Here is a crude representation of what the effect would be if the plane of the front of the bumper stays in the same place and the curve of the bonnet continues across the top of the bumper. It has the effect of lowering the top of the kidney grilles by about 30mm (by tracing the side view, giving a more pinched and less aggressive look and makes the top of the grilles look funny relative to the line with the top of the headlights. I prefer the current look with the curve mismatch between the bonnet and bumper:

A redesigned bonnet that is coherently level with the front bumper would solve it. Im not sure if that part was intentional. It might be a flaw, but other colour option might hide it.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Tarmac

A redesigned bonnet that is coherently level with the front bumper would solve it. Im not sure if that part was intentional. It might be a flaw, but other colour option might hide it.

It is unlikely they would be able to make them match (even if there was any intention to do so) without a completely different front bumper with the current hard points and different headlights. The EU pedestrian crash regulations require a clearance over the engine and unibody structure and/or pyrotechnic hinges to allow deformation of the bonnet in an impact, lowering the middle of the bonnet to lessen the curve and still curving to meet the headlights and the hardpoints for bonnet closure likely wouldn't allow this.

Smaller kidney grilles (vertically) and a shallower bumper like on the M240i would be what is required, otherwise the knock-on effect of front end design changes would probably make the model not economically viable if it had unique parts for much of the front end.

[Tarmac]

Originally Posted by aerobod

It is unlikely they would be able to make them match (even if there was any intention to do so) without a completely different front bumper with the current hard points and different headlights. The EU pedestrian crash regulations require a clearance over the engine and unibody structure and/or pyrotechnic hinges to allow deformation of the bonnet in an impact, lowering the middle of the bonnet to lessen the curve and still curving to meet the headlights and the hardpoints for bonnet closure likely wouldn't allow this.

Smaller kidney grilles (vertically) and a shallower bumper like on the M240i would be what is required, otherwise the knock-on effect of front end design changes would probably make the model not economically viable if it had unique parts for much of the front end.

Im glad they changed the front facia of the m240i for the m2. Its much better looking. The m3 and m4 had a unique hood, headlights and bumper. I just wish they did the same treatment on their m2. But again it might be, on the facelift.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Your opinion only, nothing else.

I appreciate your perspective, but I think it's important to acknowledge that there are often multiple valid viewpoints on a given issue.
Please don't feel obligated to reply.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by MMMGuy60

I agreed, the G87 M2 looks like what an M car should be. The F87 looks just like any Bmw in the last 20 years. It is so dated compared to the G87.

It looks dated because the design language is at opposite poles. If the F87 will show now to replace the 'old' G87 you will say the same thing.

Design-language-wise the F generation is way more sleeker, lower, nicer, beautiful, fluent and expressive. Hands down.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I appreciate your perspective, but I think it's important to acknowledge that there are often multiple valid viewpoints on a given issue.
Please don't feel obligated to reply.

I'm glad you realise your viewpoint is only an opinion and there are many other valid opinions out there.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Design-language-wise the F generation is way more sleeker, lower, nicer, beautiful, fluent and expressive. Hands down.

As a previous F22 owner, I would add "inoffensive, anodyne and generic" to that list.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by snareman

Isn't that basically this entire 17 pages of this thread? . This thread is like a Facebook argument. No one is likely going to change anyone's minds.

I was gonna say the same thing. Not sure why some need to point out that an online forum is full of opinions 🤷‍♂️

Duh

[m3number86]

Wish bmw would just make the m2 a true sports car. Take out all the excess weight and “luxury” features and simplify it.

I guess it wouldn’t sell then lol

[M2Cmtl]

A red one just passed me on the bridge out of Montreal tonight. Looks awesome. Super chunky.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by m3number86

Wish bmw would just make the m2 a true sports car. Take out all the excess weight and “luxury” features and simplify it.

I guess it wouldn’t sell then lol

Nope, it wouldn't sell.......at least not like self-proclaimed purists presume it would.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by m3number86

Wish bmw would just make the m2 a true sports car. Take out all the excess weight and “luxury” features and simplify it.

I guess it wouldn’t sell then lol

Normally, a true sports car has only 2 seats. Notable exception could be the McLaren F1 (3 seats). However, it can be considered beyond true sports car status as it is also an exotic.

The M2 as well other 4 seats or 2+2 are more GT cars than "true sports cars".

Exotic > true sports car > GT

Just my humble uneducated opinion. Please feel free to bash.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by m3number86

Wish bmw would just make the m2 a true sports car. Take out all the excess weight and “luxury” features and simplify it.

I guess it wouldn’t sell then lol

Wish they would sell an M230i RWD with a 6 speed.

That would be light, simple, relatively inexpensive, sell well, and would be a great daily driver!

....and I'd still keep my M2 and M3.

[MMMGuy60]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

It looks dated because the design language is at opposite poles. If the F87 will show now to replace the 'old' G87 you will say the same thing.

Design-language-wise the F generation is way more sleeker, lower, nicer, beautiful, fluent and expressive. Hands down.

People have to embrace changes. If we have G87 styling for the last 20 years and the new M2 is F87 styling, I would embrace. Every time a new model came out, the older owner and trolls are butt hurt about it. It gets old like the F87.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by aerobod

It is meant to be that way, it mirrors the change in contour from the side of the hood to the fender and the lines in the bumper below the grilles and headlights, to frame the bumper itself as bulging from the body, as the fenders do, too. It is part of the design language that was mentioned by the designer about making it have a tuner look, as if it had an added-on body kit.

I actually don't think it's purely design language. For those of us with experience opening the hood, it's very clear they CRAMMED this power unit into the 2 series chassis. The engine cover easily sits above the front bumper/chassis brace.

I don't know that there is a really clean way to make this work - let's see if anyone does in the Aftermarket community.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Wish they would sell an M230i RWD with a 6 speed.

That would be light, simple, relatively inexpensive, sell well, and would be a great daily driver!

....and I'd still keep my M2 and M3.

Problem is it woudnt sell well

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Nope, it wouldn't sell.......at least not like self-proclaimed purists presume it would.

thats exists... its a subaru brz... slap a turbo on it if u want more power... it cannot get more pure... yet i don't see anyone here heading in that direction... i never would for one

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by F82///M4

Problem is it woudnt sell well

Bingo. BMW had manuals for m240 until 2017. They dropped it because it didn't sell well.

Don't take my word for it, this was reported on at the time. https://www.bmwblog.com/2017/06/29/b...north-america/

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by ASAP

thats exists... its a subaru brz... slap a turbo on it if u want more power... it cannot get more pure... yet i don't see anyone here heading in that direction... i never would for one

My son has been there and done that, it ended up being a CAD$40K car that turned into a $50K car, but the stock chassis and brakes didn't really handle it well, so he sold it instead of adding another $10K to solve the problems the extra power caused.

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by M2CS

So the question is why would a BMW designer want to mimic the design language of cheap Fast & Furious style bodykits? I wonder if he also requested neon LEDs under the car but perhaps that didn't make the final cut.

Have u seen the extra port installed parts. It screams F&F! I think it was on purpose which seems odd. Honda is going more euro looking with CTR and BMW is going more Tuner look. Seems backward…

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by m3number86

Wish bmw would just make the m2 a true sports car. Take out all the excess weight and “luxury” features and simplify it.

I guess it wouldn’t sell then lol

But isn’t that what Honda did with a CTR and Toyota did with a GR86 and GR Corolla. You can’t get them! Harder than getting a M2.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by MMMGuy60

People have to embrace changes. If we have G87 styling for the last 20 years and the new M2 is F87 styling, I would embrace. Every time a new model came out, the older owner and trolls are butt hurt about it. It gets old like the F87.

That’s you, not me. I don’t “have to” and never will. What the heck is that? Lol

The “butt hurt” comment is childish and unnecessary. And disliking a design has nothing to do with a previous model or what you own, anyway. Very simple.