[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So, you'll lose thousands in depreciation, buy an $80,000 EV (increase your insurance rates and spend more money in tires) to save $350 a month in gas?

That makes no sense.

Here's to hoping these cars will not be $80k. Look at the Model 3. If BMW/Alfa can make a ~$50k EV sport sedan the numbers would make sense.

I agree beyond that it doesn't make sense.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

How politically incorrect of you. But soooo true. I worked in Boston for many years and there is an addendum to that. DWOA ....Driving While Old and Asian. Far scarier,

I'm comfortable in saying that because I'm Asian and know my peeps. LOL.

A scary conversation I heard one time my mom was having. A Chinese guy was talking about how he couldn't understand why the speed limits were so high as his car could never go that fast. My mom told him those are not speed limit signs but the route number for the road.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Here's to hoping these cars will not be $80k. Look at the Model 3. If BMW/Alfa can make a ~$50k EV sport sedan the numbers would make sense.

I agree beyond that it doesn't make sense.

Tesla can't even make a $50K EV sports sedan, and they apparently make 40% profit on their cars (I don't believe it - BTW). I mean a real sports sedan that doesn't weigh 4,500 pounds and is controllable at the limits without CAD (computer-aided driving).

[gblansten]

If anyone wants to have a blast driving get a Tesla S Plaid.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

If anyone wants to have a blast driving get a Tesla S Plaid.

You mean like this?

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You mean like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2AHwaHf3kY

Fabulous video

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You mean like this?

He's out there having a hell of a lot of fun on the Nurburgring. Lucky bastard. He has driven some amazing cars on his channel.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2380...urs-taped-off/

Oh dear...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You mean like this?

Lucky to avoid the barriers and it must have been those heavyweight suv type tires that let the car down.

[M5Rick]

Well...

[RM7]

Meanwhile in Texas, the rates are going up:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/energ...ave/index.html

But not for the reason you might think.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...y-18352398.php

They are literally paying off high energy bitcoin mining with your money. I have a friend that does this (in TX).

I was there this summer during the hottest weeks. Luckily those big TV billboards were still on...so definitely a "crisis".

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Well...

Of all the companies that can’t sell their ICE vehicles and this guy is closing off yet another market.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeep...ling-up-2023-8

Time to set sail for fail.

[M5Rick]

There is another factor in overweight EV's concerning collision damage and of course with Teslas.
The heavier weight of an EV leads to more crash damage as the heavier bulk absorbing the impact has more 'dead weight' on it to accept more damage, the amount of damage on a Tesla I've seen in vids in even slow speed accidents rendering it totalled in a lot of cases, can be far greater than a lighter gas car and an awkward light crash with the battery hit means it's also totalled.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

There is another factor in overweight EV's concerning collision damage and of course with Teslas.
The heavier weight of an EV leads to more crash damage as the heavier bulk absorbing the impact has more 'dead weight' on it to accept more damage, the amount of damage on a Tesla I've seen in vids in even slow speed accidents rendering it totalled in a lot of cases, can be far greater than a lighter gas car and an awkward light crash with the battery hit means it's also totalled.

This is why I am glad that I drive a car that is best in class for safety.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-...ass-cars/2022/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Well...

Peak lithium, Who knew? Anyone with their head not up their Green A$$.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This is why I am glad that I drive a car that is best in class for safety.

Really you're going with the publication that ranks the WEY Coffee 01 and the ORA Funky Cat in the top 5? I've got a used bridge in London to sell you.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Really you're going with the publication that ranks the WEY Coffee 01 and the ORA Funky Cat in the top 5? I've got a use bridge in London to sell you.

What do you use?

The video shows you the eval methodology:

NCAP only assesses vehicles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by RM7

They are literally paying off high energy bitcoin mining with your money. I have a friend that does this (in TX).

"ERCOT estimated in 2022 that bitcoin projects accounted for 33 gigawatts (GW) of energy in its interconnection queue. All Houston households combined use an estimated 6 GW per year by comparison."
We are really stupid people and deserve what ever comes out way.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Of all the companies that can’t sell their ICE vehicles and this guy is closing off yet another market.

How do you think Jeep sales would be if the government offered a $7500.00 rebate to jeep buyers?

First rule of business is to be profitable, If you can't make money on EV's don't play.

Ford Loses Nearly $60,000 for Every Electric Vehicle Sold
The legacy carmaker has, for the first time, published its results, distinguishing the activities of electric vehicles from those of gasoline cars. For now, clean cars are a money pit.

You bet Ford will be making less EV's behind the scene but it will not be telling the public that. It s all about the Benjamins! No EV push means no financing due to ESG.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

How do you think Jeep sales would be if the government offered a $7500.00 rebate to jeep buyers?

First rule of business is to be profitable, If you can make money on EV's don't play.

Ford Loses Nearly $60,000 for Every Electric Vehicle Sold
The legacy carmaker has, for the first time, published its results, distinguishing the activities of electric vehicles from those of gasoline cars. For now, clean cars are a money pit.

You bet Ford will be making less EV's behind the scene but it will not be telling the public that. It s all about the Benjamins! No EV push means no financing due to ESG.

Jeep isn’t $7500 away from success. They are in huge trouble regardless of market manipulation by government fiat.

Ford and GM are in trouble along with VW if the world presses forward with EVs via mandates.

It will be hard to unleverage legacy auto debt while changing the way they even approach building EVs.

There is going to be so much tension with Dems in the US trying to balance auto unions and the green push.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Jeep isn’t $7500 away from success. They are in huge trouble regardless of market manipulation by government fiat.

Ford and GM are in trouble along with VW if the world presses forward with EVs via mandates.

It will be hard to unleverage legacy auto debt while changing the way they even approach building EVs.

There is going to be so much tension with Dems in the US trying to balance auto unions and the green push.

You do realize these brands make cars all over the world, including places where EV are centuries away from any form of meaningful implementation right.

US is one of the worlds biggest markets, but they are not the only market

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by kyriian

You do realize these brands make cars all over the world, including places where EV are centuries away from any form of meaningful implementation right.

US is one of the worlds biggest markets, but they are not the only market

I am aware of the global marketplace.