[ajchoi]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I already bought a 2025 M2 and plan to keep it pristine. As a non-daily, weekend only car and outlet for my perfectionist tendencies.. I’ll probably only be driving it 2-3k miles a year.

In 10yrs or so it will be a museum piece like this E92.. just wonder if I should have got the E92 that’s already a museum piece ha! Biggest thing I was looking for in the weekend car was a feeling of rawness and emotion.. the M2 delivers on this a bit more than my prior G80 and yea it’s faster that my prior F80 and E46… but I’ve never experienced an E92 so have always been curious.

I'd personally go find a nice E46 again if you don't already have one of those somewhere too lol. But that's definitely just my obsession with that car from my teens / early 20s

[Montaver]

I nearly traded my G87 to them last week for that car. In the end I sold the M2 locally on Friday and I’ll pick up something next year. I think the E9x M3 is the best M car ever made. It has a feeling of connectedness, specialness and soul that you don’t find in modern M cars. I think as a daily or track car the G87 is a great tool, but for something you keep in the garage and take out for a sense of occasion I would take the E92 every time. Along with my old 981 GT4 my old E90 M3 is the car I think about the most.

[fanofbmwe46]

Originally Posted by Montaver

I nearly traded my G87 to them last week for that car. In the end I sold the M2 locally on Friday and I’ll pick up something next year. I think the E9x M3 is the best M car ever made. It has a feeling of connectedness, specialness and soul that you don’t find in modern M cars. I think as a daily or track car the G87 is a great tool, but for something you keep in the garage and take out for a sense of occasion I would take the E92 every time.

Love this respone

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Montaver

I nearly traded my G87 to them last week for that car. In the end I sold the M2 locally on Friday and I’ll pick up something next year. I think the E9x M3 is the best M car ever made. It has a feeling of connectedness, specialness and soul that you don’t find in modern M cars. I think as a daily or track car the G87 is a great tool, but for something you keep in the garage and take out for a sense of occasion I would take the E92 every time. Along with my old 981 GT4 my old E90 M3 is the car I think about the most.

super well said... ill add to this that i find "tolerable for daily driving" and "sense of occasion" to typically be inversely correlated to a certain degree. the M2 is such a good daily driver in large part because in many circumstances it feels like just another modern BMW. cars that mix these two well are very rare indeed... off the top of my head, E9x, B7 RS4, Alfa QF, Z33 and earlier Z cars, certain 911 variants, lexus IS F...

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

super well said... ill add to this that i find "tolerable for daily driving" and "sense of occasion" to typically be inversely correlated to a certain degree. the M2 is such a good daily driver in large part because in many circumstances it feels like just another modern BMW. cars that mix these two well are very rare indeed... off the top of my head, E9x, B7 RS4, Alfa QF, Z33 and earlier Z cars, certain 911 variants, lexus IS F...

Outside of the fact my M2 was manual, its a very similar driving experience to my M340i and overall I actually prefer the B58. Modern BMW's have a consistent identity, and the cooking model BMW's are as good as they have ever been from an engineering perspective. Agreed on that feeling of it's just another modern BMW, although its a very high bar.

For me the older cars, like the 997 GT3, E9x M3, B7 RS4 just had a little bit more specialness and perhaps mystique about them. It's so easy to consume everything about cars online now, to watch tons of video reviews etc. Compare that to 15-20 years ago when I would be reading a copy of Evo magazine or watching Top Gear and trying to soak up every word and bit of information. If I saw a GT3 in a gas station it was like spotting a unicorn. When I got my first corporate job in 2008, I had a picture I printed out of an E46 M3 CSL at my desk as motivation to work harder and afford one (as it happens I never got one, although I did have an E46 330ci). When I think of the e9x M3, I remember it being my first M car and that has a certain nostalgia factor the new cars can't capture for me despite being objectively better in so many ways. Probably now why all these cars, E46's, S2000's, 996's, R34's etc. are so highly valued as all the guys who grew up wanting these things can now afford them. I'm sure for someone who's first M car is the G87, they will have similar feelings 10-15 years from now when everything is hybrid and the manual trans is gone

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by ajchoi

Now I’m curious what’s your 13 year old car? I think I may have seen you talk about it before but there’s lots of dudes here with lots of cars so I can’t recall who’s got what haha

2011 Callaway SC652 Carbon Edition Z06. 1 of 85 Inferno Orange Metallic Carbons, and 1 of only 3 that were sent to Callaway.

[ajchoi]

Originally Posted by Montaver

I'm sure for someone who's first M car is the G87, they will have similar feelings 10-15 years from now when everything is hybrid and the manual trans is gone

This is why I'm gonna hang onto my G87 Manual for a long time. I WFH so I just don't daily drive a ton if at all, so I have a combination of garage queen miles from what's actually my "daily driver". So hey, if I have say 9-10k miles in a decade and somebody wants to pay a premium for a manual, I'd consider it. But my personal goal is to just keep collecting BMWs now that I've gotten the bug

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by ajchoi

This is why I'm gonna hang onto my G87 Manual for a long time. I WFH so I just don't daily drive a ton if at all, so I have a combination of garage queen miles from what's actually my "daily driver". So hey, if I have say 9-10k miles in a decade and somebody wants to pay a premium for a manual, I'd consider it. But my personal goal is to just keep collecting BMWs now that I've gotten the bug

Yep, that's me, also. I wish I could add a MT Z4 M40 to my garage but I probably won't have the money before its run ends.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Montaver

Outside of the fact my M2 was manual, its a very similar driving experience to my M340i and overall I actually prefer the B58. Modern BMW's have a consistent identity, and the cooking model BMW's are as good as they have ever been from an engineering perspective. Agreed on that feeling of it's just another modern BMW, although its a very high bar.

For me the older cars, like the 997 GT3, E9x M3, B7 RS4 just had a little bit more specialness and perhaps mystique about them. It's so easy to consume everything about cars online now, to watch tons of video reviews etc. Compare that to 15-20 years ago when I would be reading a copy of Evo magazine or watching Top Gear and trying to soak up every word and bit of information. If I saw a GT3 in a gas station it was like spotting a unicorn. When I got my first corporate job in 2008, I had a picture I printed out of an E46 M3 CSL at my desk as motivation to work harder and afford one (as it happens I never got one, although I did have an E46 330ci). When I think of the e9x M3, I remember it being my first M car and that has a certain nostalgia factor the new cars can't capture for me despite being objectively better in so many ways. Probably now why all these cars, E46's, S2000's, 996's, R34's etc. are so highly valued as all the guys who grew up wanting these things can now afford them. I'm sure for someone who's first M car is the G87, they will have similar feelings 10-15 years from now when everything is hybrid and the manual trans is gone

I think these ideas combine a few good points. BMW engineering, say what you will about styling and technology, is certainly at a high point right now. the corporate identity car to car is strong, and further they are probably more reliable now than they ever have been.

a lot of people who have never owned a 15-25 year old german enthusiast car dont really appreciate what it takes to keep the average E9x, E46, V8 audi S/RS4, 996, W211 E55, etc on the road and in good aesthetic shape. things go NLA, weird shit breaks, odd infotainment or tech issues with no answer, sunroofs leak, you name it. the malady list of the much-ballyhooed E9x cars posted earlier really drives that home. they can all be wallet crushers in a way that i am not sure will ever affect the majority of S58 equipped M cars.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

a lot of people who have never owned a 15-25 year old german enthusiast car dont really appreciate what it takes to keep the average E9x, E46, V8 audi S/RS4, 996, W211 E55, etc on the road and in good aesthetic shape. things go NLA, weird shit breaks, odd infotainment or tech issues with no answer, sunroofs leak, you name it. the malady list of the much-ballyhooed E9x cars posted earlier really drives that home. they can all be wallet crushers in a way that i am not sure will ever affect the majority of S58 equipped M cars.

OMG my N55 was eating both HPFPs and LPFPs like skittles for a while, until BMW finally recalled the parts. Then it threw a rod (TFG for extended warranties), and I promise it wasn't because of neglect or abuse. The replacement has been bulletproof so far.

Thus far the B58 and S58 both seem to be more reliable than previous gen motors. And AFAIK the spun crank hub problem didn't migrate to the G87. But of course this car will start costing me if I keep it 10+ years. Which I will because MT, but it's gonna hurt.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Squidget

And AFAIK the spun crank hub problem didn't migrate to the G87.

Correct, the B58/S58 were completely redesigned with the crank hub and crank shaft as one single component so there's no way it can be spun.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Squidget

OMG my N55 was eating both HPFPs and LPFPs like skittles for a while, until BMW finally recalled the parts. Then it threw a rod (TFG for extended warranties), and I promise it wasn't because of neglect or abuse. The replacement has been bulletproof so far.

Thus far the B58 and S58 both seem to be more reliable than previous gen motors. And AFAIK the spun crank hub problem didn't migrate to the G87. But of course this car will start costing me if I keep it 10+ years. Which I will because MT, but it's gonna hurt.

yeah, i had a roommate in 2016 with a low mileage 2009 E93 335 that was a disaster - multiple HPFP and LPFP, three cracked wheels (OEM wheel and tire setup), hard top problems, ate ignition coils etc - great car for the three months a year it wasnt in the shop, lol.

lexus F cars continue to be the gold standard here - i know two that have 6 figure mileage and have only eaten brakes, tires, and oil changes. some UR motors develop the "dreaded" valley plate leak, which is endlessly speculated and commented on in their forums, people avoiding cars, sellings cars... over a $1500-2000 repair. which always makes me laugh, because M folks have been dumping three times that into their motors to fix factory issues since what the E46 days?

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Montaver

I nearly traded my G87 to them last week for that car. In the end I sold the M2 locally on Friday and I’ll pick up something next year. I think the E9x M3 is the best M car ever made. It has a feeling of connectedness, specialness and soul that you don’t find in modern M cars. I think as a daily or track car the G87 is a great tool, but for something you keep in the garage and take out for a sense of occasion I would take the E92 every time. Along with my old 981 GT4 my old E90 M3 is the car I think about the most.

I agree with this. I haven't been the same since selling my E92 M3.