[koastal]

At least it sounds good, but heavier than a M4 wtf

[ESB]

Originally Posted by ASAP

so did anyone objectively compare the car vs the predecessor or is this just typical marketing nonsense?

One thing I immediately expect to hear is improved traction, stability blah blah...

Well lets start with some basics, the rears are now 285s (now PS4s not PSS) and the car is longer and heavier lol.

Typical nonsense. I used to subscribe to Joe but I've since blocked him from my YouTube feed. I just can't stand his content anymore.

That said, you're right that I think every video out of this event is just hype. It's not like Joe was an outlier here. I just feel like all of his videos are an eye roll since like a year+ ago.

I know I'm in the minority.

/rant

[MooMooM2]

I like Joe but I am jot dumb enough to think the dude is not in bmws pockets.

When he said that the car had an excellent gearbox for example, we all know the manual box on latest crop of bmws is ok at best, excellent is not the word to describe it.

That said not mad at him, I enjoy his content and he seems like a good dude but yeah when you compare that content with a proper car channel like savage geese its like a tabloid vs a real newspaper

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ESB

Typical nonsense. I used to subscribe to Joe but I've since blocked him from my YouTube feed. I just can't stand his content anymore.

That said, you're right that I think every video out of this event is just hype. It's not like Joe was an outlier here. I just feel like all of his videos are an eye roll since like a year+ ago.

I know I'm in the minority.

/rant

This was an event for influencers to spread word about the car without actually saying anything about the car... so as to not risk any chance someone could say something out of line. Same setup as the G80 launch... we wouldn't hear true reviews until customers already had them in their hands.

There is nothing wrong with this type of marketing... its just very offputting to people who aren't dumb.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by koastal

At least it sounds good, but heavier than a M4 wtf

Where did you read or hear it was heavier than a M4? Only thing I've read from multiple sources was it's slightly heavier than the M2C but lighter than the M4 RWD and M240i Xdrive

"I can't tell you how much it weighs, because BMW wouldn't confirm that, but I did lever out of the engineers that it's heavier than previous M2 but lighter than both the rear-wheel-drive M4 and M240i xDrive."

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...h-review/45792

"We're told that technology creep and additional structural rigidity will bring a small increase in curb weight compared with the last M2 CS, which weighed 3544 pounds on our scales."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ototype-drive/

https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/06/14/2...m2-g87-weight/

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by michaeldorian

I do love the side profile. Excellent proportions. And it looks properly wide. Love that is has a more angular look which looks more modern too. Excited to see it actually as a F87 owner.

This car is gonna look so much better IRL than it will in pics. When I first saw the G42, I thought it was kinda fugly until I saw a M240i in person. Imo side by side, the G42 hands down looks better, more modern and more aggressive than the F22. I think it's gonna be the same story for the G87 and F87

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

This car is gonna look so much better IRL than it will in pics. When I first saw the G42, I thought it was kinda fugly until I saw a M240i in person. Imo side by side, the G42 hands down looks better, more modern and more aggressive than the F22. I think it's gonna be the same story for the G87 and F87

The F87 even in picture form looked pleasing to many eyes. I typically stray away from the term more modern because these vehicles are made in a specific instance of time between its SOP and end of production and then the latest "modern" version comes out. I'm unfortunately in the camp where I enjoy the driving dynamics of the M240i but I'm not a fan of its front and rear design but the side profile does look nice.

I leave my comments on design on the actual reveal as a brand I would hope BMW would not disappoint the crowd.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

The F87 even in picture form looked pleasing to many eyes. I typically stray away from the term more modern because these vehicles are made in a specific instance of time between its SOP and end of production and then the latest "modern" version comes out. I'm unfortunately in the camp where I enjoy the driving dynamics of the M240i but I'm not a fan of its front and rear design but the side profile does look nice.

I leave my comments on design on the actual reveal as a brand I would hope BMW would not disappoint the crowd.

I think the F87 visually strikes me the same way viewing it online as it does irl which is pretty much what you'd want. I don't feel the G42 is as photogenic but to me it has a certain presence that's appealing when seeing it in person.

Like you mentioned, it has a nice side profile which looks more sporty. And because the F and G series are right around the same height, I think the longer hood provides a better overall balance to the stance because I've always felt the F87 looks like it sits a bit too high which gives it sort of a stubby appearance

[allinon72]

For whatever reason, BMWs current design language does not photograph well. The design elements are still polarizing, but usually look better in person. The G80 looks way better in person, for example.

[ChiTownM]

Originally Posted by allinon72

For whatever reason, BMWs current design language does not photograph well. The design elements are still polarizing, but usually look better in person. The G80 looks way better in person, for example.

Agree 100%.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by allinon72

For whatever reason, BMWs current design language does not photograph well. The design elements are still polarizing, but usually look better in person. The G80 looks way better in person, for example.

It's because in person your view and perspective is wider and larger. In real life your eyes are viewing a large scene and the car is just a small piece in the scene. In that perspective and context, the larger elements like the grille look good in relation to the larger scene being viewed.

But in a picture the visual perspective is small. So in comparison everything looks big, especially the grille.

[AZ-Wildcat]

Built in Mexico.

Discuss….

[koastal]

[QUOTE=StickyPickle;29013602]Where did you read or hear it was heavier than a M4?


Here 1810 kg = 1980--lbs

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/...3ck8fHa.S3fpgi

[chris719]

Originally Posted by AZ-Wildcat

Built in Mexico.

Discuss….

This horse has been beaten to death already, repeatedly.

There is no difference in the quality of the product. BMW M products have been made in Spartanburg without issue and there are no issues with South African production either. The M340i and M240is made in SLP have no known issues either. It's the newest facility and presumably has the most automation.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by AZ-Wildcat

Built in Mexico.

Discuss….

It's a brand new state of the art facility and QC will probably be better than ever, don't see how this would even be an issue

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by chris719

This horse has been beaten to death already, repeatedly.

There is no difference in the quality of the product. BMW M products have been made in Spartanburg without issue and there are no issues with South African production either. The M340i and M240is made in SLO have no known issues either. It's the newest facility and presumably has the most automation.

I wish that were true but I'm not sure it is...there was a pretty significant difference in paint quality between my F97, made in Spartanburg, and my F80 and F87, made in Germany. There are a lot of X vehicles made in SC that have paint issues.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by allinon72

I wish that were true but I'm not sure it is...there was a pretty significant difference in paint quality between my F97, made in Spartanburg, and my F80 and F87, made in Germany. There are a lot of X vehicles made in SC that have paint issues.

You have no data, just one anecdote. My E85 Z4M from Spartanburg had better paint than my F87 from Leipzig. Regardless, Spartanburg is actually an old plant and could have old paint booths. SLP is the newest plant and will have the absolute newest paint equipment. My father and brother both own G20 M340i produced in Mexico and the paint is indistinguishable from my F87.

All I'm saying is there is no reason to believe the car will be any worse due to where it's produced.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by chris719

You have no data, just one anecdote. My E85 Z4M from Spartanburg had better paint than my F87 from Leipzig. Regardless, Spartanburg is actually an old plant and could have old paint booths. SLP is the newest plant and will have the absolute newest paint equipment. My father and brother both own G20 M340i produced in Mexico and the paint is indistinguishable from my F87.

All I'm saying is there is no reason to believe the car will be any worse due to where it's produced.

Anything is possible.. you can argue both ways.
I would prefer a German built BMW either way. Never had an issue.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Anything is possible.. you can argue both ways.
I would prefer a German built BMW either way. Never had an issue.

My F80 was a complete rattle box that could not be fixed.
My G20 was perfectly built boring cruiser. Had it for 9 months and zero build issues.
The F87 had complete brakes replaced at 2000 miles to fix shaking between 40 and 65mph braking issues from brand new (picked it up with 005 on ODO). Some rattling too…

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by DFW_M2C

My F80 was a complete rattle box that could not be fixed.
My G20 was perfectly built boring cruiser. Had it for 9 months and zero build issues.
The F87 had complete brakes replaced at 2000 miles to fix shaking between 40 and 65mph braking issues from brand new (picked it up with 005 on ODO). Some rattling too…

My E90 328i, F80 335i and F87C M2C - all German built and were solid. Especially the M2C, not even a single rattle, no issues.

My G05 X5 40i, custom built with air suspension and with all bells and whistles, made in America came with a bent control arm, and has creaks everywhere. I don't want the dealer to open my dashboard so I'm living with the noises but I did get the bent suspension components fixed. It was never driven being custom built and only had 3-4 miles when I purchased it. It also had the fender trim twisted (the plastic piece on top of the wheel arch) and that was fixed under warranty too.

Like I said you can argue both ways.

But it's a BMW, and I would *prefer* that it is sealed with a "Made in Germany" tag. Not saying that I won't buy "Made in Mexico" built BMWs. I do own a X5 which is non-German built.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

My E90 328i, F80 335i and F87C M2C - all German built and were solid. Especially the M2C, not even a single rattle, no issues.

My G05 X5 40i, custom built with air suspension and with all bells and whistles, made in America came with a bent control arm, and has creaks everywhere. I don't want the dealer to open my dashboard so I'm living with the noises but I did get the bent suspension components fixed. It was never driven being custom built and only had 3-4 miles when I purchased it. It also had the fender trim twisted (the plastic piece on top of the wheel arch) and that was fixed under warranty too.

Like I said you can argue both ways.

But it's a BMW, and I would *prefer* that it is sealed with a "Made in Germany" tag. Not saying that I won't buy "Made in Mexico" built BMWs. I do own a X5 which is non-German built.

The truth is that quality is designed into product (DFM) and guaranteed by process. Any manufacturing that relies on the skill of "unskilled" human labor is destined to be a failure. See - Tesla. There's a reason that a Tesla made anywhere will be an inconsistent disaster and a BMW produced anywhere will be pretty good. It's not that the people at Spartanburg are any better than Fremont.

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

My E90 328i, F80 335i and F87C M2C - all German built and were solid. Especially the M2C, not even a single rattle, no issues.

My G05 X5 40i, custom built with air suspension and with all bells and whistles, made in America came with a bent control arm, and has creaks everywhere. I don't want the dealer to open my dashboard so I'm living with the noises but I did get the bent suspension components fixed. It was never driven being custom built and only had 3-4 miles when I purchased it. It also had the fender trim twisted (the plastic piece on top of the wheel arch) and that was fixed under warranty too.

Like I said you can argue both ways.

But it's a BMW, and I would *prefer* that it is sealed with a "Made in Germany" tag. Not saying that I won't buy "Made in Mexico" built BMWs. I do own a X5 which is non-German built.

Same with my M2. Not a single rattle and solid. No issues at all.

My 340i was a creaking nightmare.