[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by Habber

It starts like this, but then ends up with:

Hate the front end
Hate ID8
Hate the steering
Exhaust sound doesn't sound right
Car feels too heavy
Why doesn't it come with DSG
Why doesn't it come with manual

BMW losing their core audience….

😝

Yeah
You read my mind!
I was talking about an E46!

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Just give me a light, RWD, bulged fenders, manual with 400ish hp, and I'm be the happiest man!

Everyone saw this article says "automatic" not manual. See a lot of people getting excited about a manual that will likely not be in the car.

[Brandt51]

One day BMW will produce an M car that everybody on the internet will equally love without complaints.

But that gonna ain't gonna be a bitch ass G87

[themk]

I will be disapointed if they do another CSL. None the less the only manual m2 will be base the C will be Auto and IX and CS or CSL defintley will be as they should.

[MomoM3]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Everyone saw this article says "automatic" not manual. See a lot of people getting excited about a manual that will likely not be in the car.

Was thinking the same. No mention of a manual, which makes me sad.

If there is no 6MT G87 CS then the 6MT F87 CS will stand to be the GOAT

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Just give me a light, RWD, bulged fenders, manual with 400ish hp, and I'm be the happiest man!

You in luck this year

[adc]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

The driving experience of CS/CSL cars can't just be replicated with a tune.

But it can be bettered with a good suspension and a tune. If you doubt this, I invite your cordially to drive my car.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by MomoM3

Was thinking the same. No mention of a manual, which makes me sad.

If there is no 6MT G87 CS then the 6MT F87 CS will stand to be the GOAT

It's going to end up being the GOAT, I'm fairly confident in that and wouldn't sell mine. Got a few recent unsolicited offers too at levels below market price as interested buyers are hoping to snap one up during the market correction before values explode.

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by adc

But it can be bettered with a good suspension and a tune. If you doubt this, I invite your cordially to drive my car.

How much do you have to drop (ballpark) to improve on M suspension?

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

You in luck this year

Bummer, I'm an adult size human.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Let's see how long it will take for DIY Kings chiming in and saying they can do it with a few kits and software upgrades for $25k less using an ordinary G87

Lol!!!!!'nnn

[duky]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Bummer, I'm an adult size human.

The Supra is that much smaller than your M240i?

[10"]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

So finally a competitor to the 1M? But like for 3x the price and you have to pay over MSRP

nah—the 1M was all about simplicity!
those days are long gone—-sadly

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by duky

The Supra is that much smaller than your M240i?

Yup! Not only is there less room up front, visibility is atrocious for tall person (I'm 6'3") and of course there's no back seat.

[Fenerbahce]

If it's rated at 473hp, it will most definitely offer a manual. No reason not to offer it given the take rate in the US, even if it's not available in all markets.

[Fenerbahce]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Let's see how long it will take for DIY Kings chiming in and saying they can do it with a few kits and software upgrades for $25k less using an ordinary G87

It's all part of healthy discussion, and we can all look forward to that exact debate. And let's be real, the CS/CSL is never going to be the value play. They are meant to be exclusively priced, limited volume, special vehicles so there is no doubt someone will be able to build something better and faster for cheaper. However it will not be as special/collectable or retain it's value like a CS/CSL.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Fenerbahce

It's all part of healthy discussion, and we can all look forward to that exact debate. And let's be real, the CS/CSL is never going to be the value play. They are meant to be exclusively priced, limited volume, special vehicles so there is no doubt someone will be able to build something better and faster for cheaper. However it will not be as special/collectable or retain it's value like a CS/CSL.

The car that retains its value is the "value play". The logic that "oh I only paid 104k for this car instead of 140k but then I spent 15k on tuning that will be near worthless when I sell the 104k car for $60k" is busted logic. Meanwhile the $140k car sells used for $150k.

[Fenerbahce]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

The car that retains its value is the "value play". The logic that "oh I only paid 104k for this car instead of 140k but then I spent 15k on tuning that will be near worthless when I sell the 104k car for $60k" is busted logic. Meanwhile the $140k car sells used for $150k.

We’re obviously talking about what you pay new for the car vs what you get. As stated already, and obvious to any enthusiast, the CS/CSL, similar to other limited volume cars, are likely to retain their value better and potentially become very collectible cars. No argument there. However, you’re somewhat broadening the definition of “value play” with something that’s a little more speculative like resale value, and that’s fine too.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Fenerbahce

We’re obviously talking about what you pay new for the car vs what you get. As stated already, and obvious to any enthusiast, the CS/CSL, similar to other limited volume cars, are likely to retain their value better and potentially become very collectible cars. No argument there. However, you’re somewhat broadening the definition of “value play” with something that’s a little more speculative like resale value, and that’s fine too.

There is also some speculation that you are creating a better car by sticking an aftermarket suspension and tune on a base car compared to a special edition. As Johnny Liberman said about the CS, for example: "There's a 100,000 km of testing by really good German engineers that have gone into this car. You can't just replicate that by putting on some Ohlins."

So the idea that doing that is a "value play" is very much subjective, more so than resale value.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

They have a manual rated for 473 hp, so they should do it. But we will see. They aren't offering a manual M4 in the Uk or EU, so if they CS a global model, they may decide to standardize it as an auto.

Originally Posted by ScullyD

They have a manual rated for 473 hp, so they should do it. But we will see. They aren't offering a manual M4 in the Uk or EU, so if they CS a global model, they may decide to standardize it as an auto.

I find it hard to believe that it will be just 26hp above the basic M2. There will be a Competition in the middle , and makes sense to be 473hp , just like the basic M3/4 which come with a stick. Most likely the M2 CS/CSL will be 500/520hp max.

[Fenerbahce]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

There is also some speculation that you are creating a better car by sticking an aftermarket suspension and tune on a base car compared to a special edition. As Johnny Liberman said about the CS, for example: "There's a 100,000 km of testing by really good German engineers that have gone into this car. You can't just replicate that by putting on some Ohlins."

So the idea that doing that is a "value play" is very much subjective, more so than resale value.

Nobody said modding a lower level car is the value play. All that was said is the CS/CSL isn't a value play compared to other trim levels, which leaves room to improve on the lower trim levels while still undercutting the CS/CSL price. Regardless, the main point of my post was to simply validate that it's a reasonable comparison and worthy of discussion. Otherwise, we'll all be drinking the kool aid and blindly forking over whatever BMW wants to charge.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

The driving experience of CS/CSL cars can't just be replicated with a tune. Also the M4 CSL doesn't have idrive 8, it has idrive 7.

Yeah you need to tune the diff too, some coilovers, lighter wheels, delete the arm rest and comfort access, and don't forget special stitching.