[ronin13013]

They should buck the trend of an auto cs or csl. They can be manual too! That would help with the weight a little.

Originally Posted by T_U_D

It will still be significantly heavier than any two door vehicle produced by a certain German manufacturer located in Zuffenhausen.

Realistically, for the amount of money that a G87 CS or CSL will cost and only have the ZF 8 Speed auto, I much rather give that kind of coin to the aforementioned manufacture.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

They should buck the trend of an auto cs or csl. They can be manual too! That would help with the weight a little.

I think we have pretty much concluded that the current manual transmission used cannot handle any additional toque over 406 ft-lbs.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I think we have pretty much concluded that the current manual transmission used cannot handle any additional toque over 406 ft-lbs.

I'm not so sure...how'd they make it work in the 3.0CSL? And don't tell me it's only 406lbft. No way they raised the boost pressure so significantly and didn't increase torque...

Of all the claims BMW makes I find this one the absolute worst, and for very selfish reasons of course.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by zero21

I'm not so sure...how'd they make it work in the 3.0CSL? And don't tell me it's only 406lbft. No way they raised the boost pressure so significantly and didn't increase torque...

Of all the claims BMW makes I find this one the absolute worst, and for very selfish reasons of course.

Yes, as formally discussed the 3.0 CSL is exactly that, 406 ft-lbs of torque per marketing materials.

FYI, it is an old unit. The manual transmission.

[ronin13013]

I forgot about that. How much would it cost to upgrade clutch/flywheel etc. It does sound selfish.

Originally Posted by zero21

I'm not so sure...how'd they make it work in the 3.0CSL? And don't tell me it's only 406lbft. No way they raised the boost pressure so significantly and didn't increase torque...

Of all the claims BMW makes I find this one the absolute worst, and for very selfish reasons of course.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yes, as formally discussed the 3.0 CSL is exactly that, 406 ft-lbs of torque per marketing materials.

FYI, it is an old unit. The manual transmission.

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[zero21]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

I forgot about that. How much would it cost to upgrade clutch/flywheel etc. It does sound selfish.

Actually there's no good solution right now. A few people used Clutchmasters but they can be an absolute disaster for some so steer clear.

Assuredly someone will provide a good solution soon enough.

[T_U_D]

For $750k one does not acquire a significant weight savings. What you get is a handbuilt vehicle and exclusivity. Most will never be properly used and become garage art.

[T_U_D]

zero21 406 ft-lbs of torque as I stated.

This is exactly why a G87 Competition, CS or CSL will be auto only. The manual transmission simply cannot handle any more torque than that number of 406.

Edit, If a one off vehicle that sells for $750k shares the same manual transmission that the G8X base vehicles have then there is no way in hell a G87 Comp, CS, or CSL ever receives a revised manual transmission to handle a higher torque rating than 406. #FACT

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

zero21 406 ft-lbs of torque as I stated.

This is exactly why a G87 Competition, CS or CSL will be auto only. The manual transmission simply cannot handle any more torque than that number of 406.

What do you think are the chances BMW develops a new clutch for the last special run of ICE cars? I figure minuscule at best since it’s only used on 3 base models for another half decade?

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

What do you think are the chances BMW develops a new clutch for the last special run of ICE cars? I figure minuscule at best since it’s only used on 3 base models for another half decade?

Absolutely ZERO. The R&D price tag significantly outweighs the overall profit. Keep in mind that the take rated on manuals is fairly minimal. In Germany the G87 equipped with a manual is €500. FYI, BMW does not manufacture the transmission, Getrag or ZF does. It would be an operating/production cost loss for them as well. The hard reality is the manual is dead with only Porsche planning to stay loyal to it until the death of ICE.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

ZERO. The R&D price tag significantly outweighs the overall profit. Keep in mind that the take rated on manuals is fairly minimal. In Germany the G87 equipped with a manual is €500. FYI, BMW does not manufacture the transmission, Gertag or ZF does. It would be an operating cost loss for them as well. The hard reality is the manual is dead with Porsche only planning to stay loyal to it until the death of ICE.

BMW used to source, I believe, fairly nice Manuals (I know a lot will disagree), I loved my 2002tii’s and my E46 is great though has a slightly long throw, now they seem like an after thought, though suppose that makes since since all the $ is in the autos these days.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

BMW used to source, I believe, fairly nice Manuals (I know a lot will disagree), I loved my 2002tii’s and my E46 is great though has a slightly long throw, now they seem like an after thought, though suppose that makes since since all the $ is in the autos these days.

There has only ever been two manufactures for BMW’s manual transmissions. I mentioned both above.

ZF’s bread and butter these days is its 8 speed automatic. It is used by a ton of automotive manufactures as well.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

There has only ever been two manufactures for BMWs manual transmissions. I mentioned both above.

Yeah, I got you, I was saying the ones they sourced in the past had been better than now.

[zero21]

I can't wait for someone to dyno our car with a manual transmission. Who's willing to do the break-in miles first week of taking delivery of their HEA? Anyone?

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Yeah, I got you, I was saying the ones they sourced in the past had been better than now.

The current unit used is fairly long in the tooth.

[zero21]

Last post on this off-topic discussion.

446lbft dyno run on stock manual

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by zero21

Last post on this off-topic discussion.

446lbft dump run on stock manual

Have you seen his Autobahn comparison with the Comp? I’d still take the Manual without hesitation.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by zero21

446lbft dyno run on stock manual

Not a shocker as BMW is notoriously known to be conservative with their hp, tq, and 0-60 numbers.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Not a shocker as BMW is notoriously known to be conservative with their hp, tq, and 0-60 numbers.

I believe this was just being discussed elsewhere.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

I believe this was just being discussed elsewhere.

Yes and the tread has since been deleted.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yes and the tread has since been deleted.

Yes, but all the replies were merged into another thread on the same topic.