[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by Squidget

In Europe, the G87 is much more expensive, and not really a super great deal. Basically the same price as a Cayman..

That’s not quite true. Yes, in the UK at least the G87 is more expensive, £64K for mine which is equivalent to $83K, but relative to the cost of other cars & the general economy it’s as good a deal as across the pond.

It’s also a LOT cheaper than an equivalent performance Porsche Cayman GTS - here, the same spec as my G87 would cost more than 20% more at the equivalent of $104K

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Bumpinjeep Excellent post here & I couldn't agree with you more. There's nothing else that can tick all the boxes that the G87 M2 does & the way it does it for this price.

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by DSTR

There is a post above with Porsche prices vs M2 in Australia. Its rather eye opening disparity!

You are exactly right, a G87 fully optioned (less carbon seats) is $AUD135,000, compared to the base model Cayman Style Edition with metallic paint is $AUD152,000. Interestingly, one has a 3.0 twin turbo 6 cylinder the other a 2.0 single turbo 4 cylinder.....less is not more on this occasion.

Cheers

[Avocet123]

In the UK the MY 25 is about £70k depending on options. I was going to go with a Dark Horse mustang but missed out on allocation but wasn't too impressed with what was on offer at a similar cost,plus i had 2 x GT's before. Test Drove a Cayman GTS,loved it but would have been used for my price point. Tested an Alpine GT and for £ 60k was really tempted but luggage space was an issue for me on any European Tour. That left the M2 and it offered up everything i wanted, Fast, comfortable,plenty of space,Brutal looks and plenty of rear action if needed. Should be with me by December.

[Good 4 2 reasons]

Every time I compare my G87 to my Uncle's 2024 911 base pdk he paid upwards of 150k for, I am reminded how capable and polished these cars are for the money. I would not swap cars with my Uncle if he offered, unless I could sell it and buy 2 G87s. I was shocked riding in his 911 and feeling the ride was more compliant in the G87 with both cars set at comfort settings, but the G87 can also be more aggressive and sporty.

[DrewNewM2]

Additionally if you’re someone who is into modding cars it’s the cheapest way to get the S58 and an extra 200 whp is just an ECU unlock, downpipes and a tune away. Not very expensive mods. Bang for the buck power that puts it at the level of most super cars. I haven’t taken that step yet but it’s a top reason I got the car.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Squidget

In Europe, the G87 is much more expensive

Most of the price difference in Europe is due to the sales taxes (VAT) being included in the price, as opposed to being added to the configuration (such as in North America). I looked at similar configs with carbon roof and most comfort and convenience options. I also added 3-years service for the UK and Germany, that is included in the Canadian and US price. Not sure if this needs to be added to the Australian price.

Comparing prices in Australia (minus 10% GST and 33% LCT over the threshold), Canada, Germany (minus 19% VAT), UK (minus 20% VAT) and US, comparative prices in €:

Australia €61,015 (AUD $99,766 taxes removed / AUD $123,990 inc GST & LCT)
Canada €59,482 (CAD$89,239)
Germany €73,904 (€87,946 inc VAT)
UK €70,947 (£59,090 taxes removed / £70,908 inc VAT)
US €66,251 (USD$71,575)

[mrdudley]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

That’s not quite true. Yes, in the UK at least the G87 is more expensive, £64K for mine which is equivalent to $83K, but relative to the cost of other cars & the general economy it’s as good a deal as across the pond.

It’s also a LOT cheaper than an equivalent performance Porsche Cayman GTS - here, the same spec as my G87 would cost more than 20% more at the equivalent of $104K

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Bumpinjeep Excellent post here & I couldn't agree with you more. There's nothing else that can tick all the boxes that the G87 M2 does & the way it does it for this price.

Relatively, your Cayman GTS is a lot cheaper. The markup here is close to 60% over an M2.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I wholeheartedly agree. I sold my G80 for one.

Selling my G82 for one as well! Don't get me wrong, I love the G82, but a shorter wheelbase and similar track with the S58 and small power bump really sold me on this car and the price just sent it to the moon. My build is $72k on the G7 vs $98k on the M4 and a $26k difference is HUGE while getting 90% of the features and 93% of the power with the benefit of that shorter wheelbase! If only the G87 has aluminum doors and forged wheels, but that would probably kill most of the value proposition.

[fzr100098]

Forged wheels and 400 lb diet would be all most people need - no need for a $98k CS with more carbon bits, wing, and similar weight

[Mhrob24]

I agree. The value is pretty much the reason I went with the M2. The Supra, Mustang Dark Horse, and Civic Type R were other candidates, but the price of the M2 really surprised me when I first saw it.

You can buy a new F-150 with decent options for like 65k lol…

It’s an insane price for a nearly 500 hp 2025 BMW, and the fact that the M2s hold value well makes it even better. It was definitely at the high end of what I could afford, but I don’t regret it one bit—worth every penny.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by c1pher

When you compare the quality of the two, it’s a no brainer to pick the M2. The only reason you get the Mustang is because you have to have a Mustang and a V8.

The S650 has made improvements over the older S550, still falls short. The Coyote V8 is the main attraction.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Mvfjet

I was also cross shopping an S650 Mustang. A GTPP Premium would be $60k+. So I started just shopping the dark horse because they’re $65k base model but Ford dealers are still such a PITA to shop through. Best I could do after trying to put 6 dealers against each other was $2500 off the GTPP. Dark horse one dealer was willing do to msrp but had no idea when they’d get an allocation.

So after watching a bunch of reviews, I honestly didn’t even know what an M2 was because I’ve always bought domestic. I found out I can get it in manual, check, faster than a DH or GTPP, check, better color choices, check, leather and moon roof standard, check. For me there’s not a thing I would change about the M2.

Lastly finding dealers to do msrp was easy, but nobody would do under msrp. Then I just picked on how close the dealer was an ordered. How 25 days from ordering my car has already gone into the production queue and expected to be completed by November 4th. Ordering through Ford is a PiTA but BMW has made it hella easy.

I can’t wait to get my car.

I really was close to 50/50 between the Mustang and M2, with a slight edge toward the M2. I just missed being in a bimmer. I ordered the Mustang on 27 Feb 2024 and it was supposed to be delivered on 31 May 2024, it kept getting pushed back to where it wasn't going to be built as a 2024 but a 2025 and the price increase was huge and not to mention the color I wanted was gone. I ordered a G87 on 15 March and it got here early on 30 June, it actually got here early. Very happy the way it worked out.

[Wheelwright]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

The S650 has made improvements over the older S550, still falls short. The Coyote V8 is the main attraction.

The Dark Horse also has:
1) superior manual transmission
2) dedicated drift brake
3) launch mode which is more useable
4) better suspension (magnetic ride)
5) cooled seats
6) better digital gauges (many classic styles as well as modern ones)

[M2Cmtl]

There is just no way I am passing on the last M car with a stick. Ordering in January.

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by Wheelwright

The Dark Horse also has:
1) superior manual transmission
2) dedicated drift brake
3) launch mode which is more useable
4) better suspension (magnetic ride)
5) cooled seats
6) better digital gauges (many classic styles as well as modern ones)

I really only care about #1 and agree. I looked at Mustangs, Mach1, GT350s, Darkhorse before I bought my M2 and one thing I hated was the visibility from inside Mustang. Also, being Naturally aspirated, need to supercharge if you get bored and want more power.

M2 only needs a piggyback for like 100 whp or a Femto unlock and tune for even more. Factory forced induction!

[BroDoze]

There was a used Dark Horse at my BMW dealer that got traded in on an M car a few weeks ago.

At 6,800ft, N/A is a non-starter. GT3s suck up here. FI or go home.

[ednir98]

Originally Posted by Wheelwright

The Dark Horse also has:
1) superior manual transmission
2) dedicated drift brake
3) launch mode which is more useable
4) better suspension (magnetic ride)
5) cooled seats
6) better digital gauges (many classic styles as well as modern ones)

As cool as all of that is, many are still concerned with reliability, fit/finish, how the materials feel, quality of dealers & service, etc.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by ednir98

As cool as all of that is, many are still concerned with reliability, fit/finish, how the materials feel, quality of dealers & service, etc.

Exactly, Ford is awful. One of my uncles was a tech for Ford nearly his entire career & there was never a Ford vehicle at his home. He didn't drive Fords, my aunt didn't drive Fords, and none of his daughters drove Fords. Says a lot, imo.

[ednir98]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Exactly, Ford is awful. One of my uncles was a tech for Ford nearly his entire career & there was never a Ford vehicle at his home. He didn't drive Fords, my aunt didn't drive Fords, and none of his daughters drove Fords. Says a lot, imo.

I've had a few Ford company cars/trucks. Brand new they're great, all the tech and gimmicks one could want... but the quality declines rapidly.

[RockCrusher]

My 2023 M2 was $68,195. Didn't build it. Bought it off the showroom floor.

But I feel the car a good value. Certainly better than my Scat Pack ($50K) and my Hellcat ($65K). (Seeing reports the 6.4l (Scat Pack) and 6.2l (Hellcat) engines appear to be suffering from early/premature cam/lifter failure. Got out of the Scat Pack at around 8K miles. The Hellcat I put 27.5K miles on but sold it before the warranty expired.)

Quite happy with the M2.

Right now don't have any plans to replace it.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Exactly, Ford is awful. One of my uncles was a tech for Ford nearly his entire career & there was never a Ford vehicle at his home. He didn't drive Fords, my aunt didn't drive Fords, and none of his daughters drove Fords. Says a lot, imo.

giving me flashbacks to my dad's old 5.4L triton work trucks. boat anchor piece of shit that ticked loud as hell and chugged oil almsot from day 1. he went through two of the "jelly bean" gen F-150s, both dying around 120k miles, before he switched to GM products.