[MPR]

Originally Posted by sclui56

Somehow the images are not showing up here so I changed them to links. Sorry. The bolts were either M12 or M10, can't remember. Just need to be longer because the stick bolt could not even grab 1x washer. There's sufficient space to accommodate a longer bolt, I simply added the thickness of the bracket + 2x washers and estimated.

Do know ballpark how long you bought and/or washer inner/outer diameter? Was hoping to do this with my next oil change.

[sclui56]

Originally Posted by MPR

Do know ballpark how long you bought and/or washer inner/outer diameter? Was hoping to do this with my next oil change.

I need to go to Ace tomorrow for another project, I will check and get the right size and let you know.

See, I suspected earlier that the stock bolt is not long enough to add spacers, In fact, I don't think it is sufficient after adding just the Turner bracket.

I feel Turner is irresponsible or lazy by not supplying 2x adequate bolts for this kit, or fully testing the fitment in terms of clearance using the brackets. At least this is a one-time deal for me as I will get the Mishimoto one whenever my G87 shows up.

The Turner plate itself is fine, it's the attachment points that need improvement.

[MPR]

sclui56 yeah I don’t like how it pretty much mounts to only the bracket and the front bumper attachment point isn’t really supporting it, just holds it up.

And thank you

[sclui56]

Originally Posted by MPR

sclui56 yeah I don’t like how it pretty much mounts to only the bracket and the front bumper attachment point isn’t really supporting it, just holds it up.

And thank you

Just fixed the attachments, but will circle back tomorrow when I have the specs for you.

[sclui56]

MPR

Washers are SS heavy-duty (thick) M10 fender washers w/ OD of ~ 29mm (matches the circular base of the bracket). And here is the M10 bolt, make sure it's the coarse 1.50 thread and NOT 1.25. On a separate note, drove her M240 a bit yesterday after fitting 13mm spacers, this is the first time I drove that since broken in, and I really like how it drives.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by sclui56

MPR

Washers are SS heavy-duty (thick) M10 fender washers w/ OD of ~ 29mm (matches the circular base of the bracket). And here is the M10 bolt, make sure it's the coarse 1.50 thread and NOT 1.25. On a separate note, drove her M240 a bit yesterday after fitting 13mm spacers, this is the first time I drove that since broken in, and I really like how it drives.

Thanks buddy. Any concern with not going SS for that bolt?

[sclui56]

Originally Posted by MPR

Thanks buddy. Any concern with not going SS for that bolt?

Not really, these are rated 10.9, same strength as the OEM bolt if you look. You could look for SS ones, it was simply a matter of availability once I matched the specs.

[WilcoJunoHotel]

Interested to hear what you guys are seeing with your oil temps now that you have the plate installed.

I made by own plate from a piece of ABS plastic sheet (drilled a bunch of small holes in it for air circulation) and so far I am not seeing anything over 230 degrees. Why plastic? I am more concerned about rocks and the occasional squirrel than I am of hitting a curb or wheel chock. If I do hit a 2x4 or some metal the plastic still might mitigate most of the force so that it is not catastrophic like it would probably be with the oil cooler hanging low commando style with nothing to protect it. Cost me $50 in materials and about an hour to fabricate/install.

[oldbmwtech]

Originally Posted by WilcoJunoHotel

Interested to hear what you guys are seeing with your oil temps now that you have the plate installed.

I made by own plate from a piece of ABS plastic sheet (drilled a bunch of small holes in it for air circulation) and so far I am not seeing anything over 230 degrees. Why plastic? I am more concerned about rocks and the occasional squirrel than I am of hitting a curb or wheel chock. If I do hit a 2x4 or some metal the plastic still might mitigate most of the force so that it is not catastrophic like it would probably be with the oil cooler hanging low commando style with nothing to protect it. Cost me $50 in materials and about an hour to fabricate/install.

My oil temp stays at 225ish even after 30 min. on a track as well as normal driving.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by sclui56

Not really, these are rated 10.9, same strength as the OEM bolt if you look. You could look for SS ones, it was simply a matter of availability once I matched the specs.

What length did you use?

[oldbmwtech]

Originally Posted by MPR

What length did you use?

Not sure why you are changing the bolt. All I did is add a few washers under the plate. A lot less expensive and much easier to do. The hex/torx screws were plenty long enough.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by oldbmwtech

Not sure why you are changing the bolt. All I did is add a few washers under the plate. A lot less expensive and much easier to do. The hex/torx screws were plenty long enough.

He was saying it was too short.. if the OEM bolt is long enough then I definitely prefer that and will just get some SS fender washers

[WilcoJunoHotel]

Originally Posted by oldbmwtech

My oil temp stays at 225ish even after 30 min. on a track as well as normal driving.

Thanks.

Took it on a long drive up in the mountains on Monday. Ambient outside air temp for the area was 83. Also spent some time in stop and go ATL traffic.

Oil Temp never got above 232 degrees.

Very glad I had some protection on that oil cooler: Ran into some road construction where they had failed to completely sweep all the small rocks from the road. Had to drive for about 3 miles dodging rocks and crap from the cars in front and opposite lanes, cringing every time I heard something hitting the underside of my car.

Will see how it holds up and will check again when the temperatures get hotter again next year.

[sclui56]

Originally Posted by oldbmwtech

Not sure why you are changing the bolt. All I did is add a few washers under the plate. A lot less expensive and much easier to do. The hex/torx screws were plenty long enough.

I had to change out the re-used factory bolt because it is too short if I were to add thick washers (as spacers) between the frame and the Turner bracket.

I didn't change out the 4x socket bolts securing the plate to the bracket.

Look at the top (factory) bolt Turner wants us to use, and that was not securing anything to the cross member, so once you added in the black Turner bracket, there's already reduced thread, which was still ok, barley though. But I needed to increase the space between the cooler and the plate to eliminate vibration, I could take the lazy/cheap way by placing washers between the plate and the bracket, or do it properly by placing the washers between the frame and the bracket. I chose the latter cause I don't want any loose washers running around when I unmount the plate.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by oldbmwtech

Not sure why you are changing the bolt. All I did is add a few washers under the plate. A lot less expensive and much easier to do. The hex/torx screws were plenty long enough.

Just realized that you referenced the hex/torx screws. I have washers under those now but I want to switch to using washers under the main 18mm bolt. I measured the washer that came with bracket today while doing an oil change, so I’m going to buy a few that same size and put them under the bracket..around 10mm ID and 25mm OD

sclui56 thanks for posting that, I’m going to pick up those bolts

$20 for the hardware
Bolts https://a.co/d/fJQTsp2
Washers https://a.co/d/abgYiQR

[sclui56]

MPR The OD of those washers are ~29mm to be close to the diameter of the circular base of the Turner's bracket. 25mm should work, just a bit smaller.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by sclui56

MPR The OD of those washers are ~29mm to be close to the diameter of the circular base of the Turner's bracket. 25mm should work, just a bit smaller.

Yeah, I figured a little larger wouldn’t hurt

Going to also use some blue loctite on the bolt

Edit: to be safe I cancelled and bought m10x25mm

https://a.co/d/h53XMjV

[sclui56]

Good luck in the refitting, but this time, it's pretty much set it and forget. OTOH, my 87 started its build last Friday, but that one will have the Mishimoto plate, a straightforward and better mounting scheme from what I have seen, though the 87 platform also has more exposed openings in the center + 2 side intakes, so more precautionary work is needed. Damn BMW!!

[MPR]

I finally got around to replacing the hardware. I originally used 3 small spacer washers on each of the 2 hex bolts that secure the plate to the bracket. I removed those and used 5 washers on the bolt that secures the bracket to the car (total of 6 for each side, one goes immediately under the bolt, and 5 between the car and bracket). I initially used 4 washers but I was not able to slide a credit card between the oil cooler and skid plate so I added one more and it passed the credit card test. I most likely was having metal-on-metal contact prior to making this hardware change so I am glad I did this. I also used some blue loctite on all bolts this time around.

I think these bolts are long enough even with all of the washers, it had plenty of grab and was able to torque the bolts down plenty.

$20 for the hardware
Bolts https://a.co/d/fJQTsp2
Washers https://a.co/d/abgYiQR

[sclui56]

MPR Glad you finally got that sorted out. I think the number of washers/spacers is dependent on manufacturing variations as well as whether rivets were used to secure the mesh. I am still a bit upset w/ Turner's not wanting to look into this further. That's also the reason why I went for the Mishimoto one for the G87.

To be fair, I think the Turner's unit is better built, it's made in the U.S., and they accounted for the down/up lips for airflow in copying the plastic ones on the G87 whereas the Mashimoto is simply flat with stamped "mesh". The Turner's for the M version also doesn't use the 2 brackets, they are direct fit but come in 3 pieces, including wing replacements underneath the outer ducts.

Will see how it goes, my G87 is RFT, but the Mashimoto plate is back ordered with ETA 8-10 weeks, probably coming from China.

[WilcoJunoHotel]

I am surprised that more people are not having damage to that oil cooler. I now have just over 1000 miles on my '24 and on 2 occasions I have hit crap it the road that undoubtedly would have done damage to that cooler. The first was road construction with pebbles all over the road and the second one happened the other day while following behind a truck that ran over a fallen tree limb. The truck broke the limb into pieces thankfully but a good chunk of it went right up under my car and heard it scraping and banging away.............

[MPR]

Originally Posted by WilcoJunoHotel

I am surprised that more people are not having damage to that oil cooler. I now have just over 1000 miles on my '24 and on 2 occasions I have hit crap it the road that undoubtedly would have done damage to that cooler. The first was road construction with pebbles all over the road and the second one happened the other day while following behind a truck that ran over a fallen tree limb. The truck broke the limb into pieces thankfully but a good chunk of it went right up under my car and heard it scraping and banging away.............

Agreed, and it’s not limited to only the G42. It’s beyond me how the engineers thought it was a good idea and got approval by BMW heads to expose an oil artery made out of aluminum in a highly exposed area. Something as simple as pulling too far into a parking space that has a concrete parking block or curb can completely destroy the oil cooler.