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Looks like Porsche increased the base price yet again. Last time I checked a GTS 4.0 started at 85K and Cayman S at around 72K.
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And I think you guys in the US still pay ADM… which makes these Porsches even worse. They’re very niche. (We don’t pay ADM in Canada for any car/brand) |
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Why? Nobody needs to spend $9,000 on carbon fiber to drive an M2. You’re making up arbitrary bullshit. Please go buy a Cayman so you can spend an extra $4,000 on powered seats.
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Everyone's needs are different. Maybe it isn't cross-shoppable for others, but it is for me. What's so hard to understand about that?
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Go buy a Cayman then. Lol. Don’t come here and make up nonsense about how $15,000 over an M2 gets you a GTS 4.0 when in reality it buys you a base Cayman S with zero options for $80,000.
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I also stated in my other post why I consider M2 in my shortlist, and it's not just price. Maybe it is for some.
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I actually like the 718, it's a very capable car even with a 4 banger. But it's IMO absolutely not competing with the M2. |
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1. Buying M2 for 90% fun and 10% practicality(more value on fun) 2. Buying M2 for 60% fun and 40% practicality(more value on practicality) 1. is generally for people who have multiple cars and 2. is for those who want one-car-do-it-all. I don't think it's silly comparison at all, because what people look for in these cars is different.
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If your focus is 90% on fun, why is the M2 a more compelling offer than the Cayman? Honest quwstion. I think I’d be in a Cayman if I was cross shopping these cars. |
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So you are making ad hominem claims based on the incorrect premises..?
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*in USA anyway When you start talking options, the price gap between the M2 and Caymans only gets wider. I just don't think there's any world where an apples-to-apples comparison has these car within $20K of each other. Doesn't strike me as a legit cross shop. I mean, if I had a $90K+ budget, I wouldn't have bought an M2, is all I'm sayin. |
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1. For those who are able to handle the extra weight (in whichever way: weight reduction, suspension tuning, etc..) S58 engine is a very potent platform. 2. Tuning parts are generally easier to find with BMWs, so more parts availability for trackdays 3. Understatement, for me gives additional joy. Sometimes you get tired of people saying "Oh he drives a Porsche." with a mispronounced -Sche. 4. Higher ground clearance. NYC can be brutal on lowered cars. On the other hand, Cayman offers pure sports car experience that no other manufacturer quite captures the way it does. This is more intangibles than pure numbers.
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Edit: just saw your post, If you don't want those parts, aren't you overpaying for something you won't use? You can get a more fun car for less (hello, Supra) if practicality/luxury isn't your concern, is my point. Edit: Just saw your post kyrix1st, thanks for your explanation of what you want, that helps. Last edited by Squidget; 06-17-2023 at 11:51 PM.. |
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So you agree with his claims based on those unstated and unnecessary assumptions? Quote:
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Usually when I think of cross shopping it’s more like this: “I want a sedan of a certain size within a certain price range” Say it’s Civic. Then you go drive the Corolla, Mazda 3, Elantra, Civic… have a feel for them, look at the fit and finish, looks, stereo, price, warranty, payments… and decide which works best for you. When I say the manual M2 has not competitor it’s based on those premises… call it a sedan even if 2 door (BMW used to, in past models), which manual transmission sedans are out there with similar trunk space, performance, within a price range, etc… If automatic, I see the RS3, I think Mercedes has something, etc. For manual… nothing. I think we established where we were all coming from. Let’s try to keep it respectful guys without the inflammatory language we sometimes use, they don’t convey as well in written form without a beer in the hand lol. Have a great night! |
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The part I did not get (past tense) in your comparison was that even if you optioned up the M2, and stripped down the Cayman so the prices are close, they are still providing very different capabilities and experiences. For example, optioning up a Ducati till it costs as much as an M2 can be done, but in my eyes it's not a real cross-shop. I consider cross-shops to be more apples-to-apples, not apples-to-equivalently-priced oranges. IMO of course. Your list of "wants" helped clarify. It's an interesting list. I never heard of ground clearance as being a pro of an M2, and I drive on Boston roads. |
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Let's just say it's the difference between being cautious of those terrible potholes all the time vs. only some of the time. They are both low, but one is better than the other.
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The M2 is so high it doesn’t look as good, the front is raised weirdly. I agree with whoever said BMW did this on purpose to sell parts (like the Supra, who remembers?) That said, I love its carefree nature and may keep it stock so I can go anywhere! It’s not like it’s suffering in cornering performance, it’s just the looks that are odd. |
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I cross shopped a GTS 4.0 and the g87 and from a cost to peformance perspective the argument goes out the window pretty quickly. The GTS 4.0 is 100% an objectively better car but you can't get one, and even if you can if you are specing them out comparitvely you are taking 110k+ vs 75k. That is a significant difference. I just picked up my G87 and adore it, b7t yeah if I could have a GTS 4.0 for the same price I'd take it.
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