[csu87]

how was this the cops fault? you think just because the cop backs off the guy is going to magically slow down and now obey all the traffic laws and be a model citizen?

No, this guy was going to crash that night whether a cop was chasing him or not. He was doing doughnuts in an intersection for christs sake.

And its not like he was going blazing fast either. At least around here, if you arent hitting triple digits in the left lane of the highway, you are an asshole.

[bimmerfrk]

Originally Posted by duck fat

I don't follow...

Clif notes:

Mustang poor choice to run from law.
BUT: Girls like Tiff here like the knob and the 5.0 so may not be a bad way to go...

[Banana Hammock]

Originally Posted by bimmerfrk

Clif notes:

Mustang poor choice to run from law.
BUT: Girls like Tiff here like the knob and the 5.0 so may not be a bad way to go...

What Mustang?

Let me analyze the pic once more.

[insanecoder]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Sorry officer, i loaned my mustang to my cousin last night. Oh, he left the country this morning. I have no way of contacting him. ....Sorry.

It's very easy to not run from the police when busted for doing something illegal. You just signal to the right, lift your foot off the accelerator, gently apply the brake as you guide the vehicle safely onto the shoulder of the road.

I suppose it's more difficult when you're judgment could be impaired by DUI of dugs and or alcohol.

Yea I see it from yer point of view. I agree things are nver 1-dimensional.
My POV is if it were you guys dad and he made a knucklehead emotional decision and paid for it with his life.. that guy had a family

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by insanecoder

My POV is if it were you guys dad and he made a knucklehead emotional decision and paid for it with his life.. that guy had a family

If it were my dad, I'd still say it was a dipshit thing to do.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by insanecoder

Yea I see it from yer point of view. I agree things are nver 1-dimensional.
My POV is if it were you guys dad and he made a knucklehead emotional decision and paid for it with his life.. that guy had a family

My dad would never make a terrible decision like that. Hes a Chevy guy.

[te37]

Well that will be a no chase county soon

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by insanecoder

Yea I see it from yer point of view. I agree things are nver 1-dimensional.
My POV is if it were you guys dad and he made a knucklehead emotional decision and paid for it with his life.. that guy had a family

Tradegies occurs every day and usually are set in motion by someone's stupid decision. This tragedy was set in motion by his decision to run from the police. It doesn't make it good, it doesn't mean i don't feel for the guys family, it doesn't mean the police were bad, it means the guy made a bad decision and paid for it with his life.

That's why we take tests to get our driver's license. We have to study the laws, responsibilities and potential consequences that come with driving a motor vehicle. We have no right to be driving a vehicle. We have no right to run from the police. It's just that in this day and age, we consider it a right to drive when it always has been and always will be a privilege. So when you're doing something that has been granted you as a privilege rather than a constitutional right, you need to obey the authorities. That means pulling over when asked to do so by the police.

His actions are responsible for the unfortunate outcome.

[Flying Ace]

A human being's #1 instinct is to run when they feel like they're in trouble. I don't fault him on that.

But really, think, then act. That's the lesson here.

[jgoens]

You know this just goes back to the whole debate of "black lives matter" and all this crap of innocent people getting killed by cops. If a cop says something to you your first choice should be to just listen. If your innocent and follow directions and wait until they figure out what is going on you will be fine. Running from the cops, throwing things at cops and yelling back at cops gets people killed. Don't know why "innocent" people can't figure this out.

[Deep_Blue]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by jgoens

You know this just goes back to the whole debate of "black lives matter" and all this crap of innocent people getting killed by cops. If a cop says something to you your first choice should be to just listen. If your innocent and follow directions and wait until they figure out what is going on you will be fine. Running from the cops, throwing things at cops and yelling back at cops gets people killed. Don't know why "innocent" people can't figure this out.

Agreed, the only thing I'd note from you comment is the word "innocent".

Regardless of whether you are indeed "innocent" or not, there is not good outcome if you run or confront the police with violence. The downside risk is enormously skewed against you if you pull a weapon or run.

Sometimes, a decent lawyer can knock down the charges to a slap on the wrist depending on your situation. I'd much rather fight through the justice system and play my cards there where I can control the outcome to a certain extent than turn my crime into an obvious felony situation and with the possibility of getting myself killed.

I guess I'm just saying...my own life matters to me, and if I am truly risk adverse, then I will make decisions based on the high probability best result outcome.

[FType22]

Why doesn't anyone take responsibility for their actions anymore? The family is going to blame the cops for this asshat speeding, not wearing a seatbelt, driving over 100 mph on the street, running from the cops, doing something stupid and getting caught?

Idiots family wants some lawsuit money and the fucked up legal system will probably win. Also, why did fox dig this up after almost a year? To complain about police being bad or something ? Fucking cocks.

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Agreed, the only thing I'd note from you comment is the word "innocent".

Regardless of whether you are indeed "innocent" or not, there is not good outcome if you run or confront the police with violence. The downside risk is enormously skewed against you if you pull a weapon or run.

Sometimes, a decent lawyer can knock down the charges to a slap on the wrist depending on your situation. I'd much rather fight through the justice system and play my cards there where I can control the outcome to a certain extent than turn my crime into an obvious felony situation and with the possibility of getting myself killed.

I guess I'm just saying...my own life matters to me, and if I am truly risk adverse, then I will make decisions based on the high probability best result outcome.

Yeah, to clarify there is innocent as in you were doing absolutely nothing and somehow got caught up in police business and there is "innocent" where you might have been doing something suspicious such as doing donuts.. but not breaking any laws .I always thought that was a crime. Maybe not there.
Sorry if my comment was not clear.

[justanotherdude]

Every county/city has it's own policies regarding chases. I can't say personally what I would have done (I've yet to be involved in a chase like this). Yeah, he had the plate information and the registered owner information, but there's no way of knowing who is actually in the car until they stop.

Like a few other people said in here, if the officer had called off the pursuit and the guy had ended up killing someone, he'd have been under fire just the same as continuing the pursuit (as he is here). So in reality it's a lose-lose for the officer.

Cops just have to make the best decision they can, however they feel it. We have all the time in the world to Monday Morning quarterback it.

TL;DR: Dude should have stopped, can't place any blame on the officer here. Even the department isn't putting any blame on him, he was suspended for not rendering immediate aid. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

[Mik3ymomo]

It doesn't look from the footage that the cop was pushing the guy to go faster. There was a good bit of distance between the wreck and the cop. You don't even see the wreck on the dash cam.

The father of 4 made those choices. Of course a police officer is going to pursue.

Saying the cop killed this driver by chasing this guy isn't remotely correct. The guy in the mustang with drugs and alcohol, driving recklessly, speeding and trying to evade the consequences of his actions is what got him killed.

This guy got exactly the result of his own actions.
Now if you showed me the cop clip him or push him off the road trying to end the chase then maybe you have an argument.

[1LegitM235i]

Here's the typical problem in our society these days...accountability!!! I know when I'm speeding and I own up to it. Clearly I know what I was doing when I decide to speed. Guess what, the dude knew it too, but failed to recognize the consequences of it. Instead, it's easier to put the blame on the cop.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by jgoens

Yeah, to clarify there is innocent as in you were doing absolutely nothing and somehow got caught up in police business and there is "innocent" where you might have been doing something suspicious such as doing donuts.. but not breaking any laws .I always thought that was a crime. Maybe not there.
Sorry if my comment was not clear.

my friend had a run in with the law a few years back. My lesson learned from his experience is:

1. let the police handcuff you, don't resist, don't run. Do as instructed, in terms of physically where to sit, where to put your hands, etc. Police just wants to physically restrain you and control for their own personal security.

2. during questioning, do not confess to anything. Do not try to "do a deal" with the police. Even if they imply if you confess, they will "drop charges". It's not up to the police to decide these things.

3. you always have the right to say nothing and prevent yourself from incriminate yourself further. The police are aggressive, they will try to get you to say things that can be misconstrued or misinterpreted or misdefined. (example, "did you drive recklessly"? Are you admitting to the actual "reckless" definition in the law or some other understanding of "reckless"?, your lawyer is in the best position to advise you on what to answer).

They literally will play "good cop, bad cop". They'll have a guy who is super aggressive and scary hoping to knock you off your thought process or get you to react to questioning. Then they'll get a super nice guy to question you after, chat you up, ask you about who you want to win the World Series, then get you to confess saying something like..."look we all make mistakes, we're all good people, we all are enticed to do this and that...etc".

4. Get a lawyer. He/she will try to knock down the charges to something lesser or altogether.

You may end up spending some extra time in a detention center if you don't say anything before the lawyer shows up, but it's worth it. Lawyer will arrange with your family to post bail and such. Even if you are innocent, be prepared, this is going to cost you something financially. Lick your wounds and hopefully you learned your lesson.

[007F10]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

Shouldn't have chased, but did. Oh well. Dude...
1. Broke the law by doing donuts in the intersection.
2. Broke the law by fleeing.
3. Broke a million traffic ordinances.
4. Was not wearing seatbelt.

Dude's fault. Sad preventable tragedy. The police officer's one mistake is outweighed by the Mustang driver's 4 (at least).

Darwin 1 : 0 Mustangs

Agree ^^^^

Can't blame the cop for stupid people, feel bad for his family but most good dads don't run from the cops.

[MKSixer]

I feel truly sorry for his family.

The unfortunate death was the culmination of a series of bad decisions that began long before the crash occurred.

As far as the behavior of the policeman goes, I cannot fault him for attempting to enforce the law. I do fault the department a bit for not eliminating pursuit from his duties after the first mishap.

Sad for all involved. No one wins in this.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I feel truly sorry for his family.

The unfortunate death was the culmination of a series of bad decisions that began long before the crash occurred.

As far as the behavior of the policeman goes, I cannot fault him for attempting to enforce the law. I do fault the department a bit for not eliminating pursuit from his duties after the first mishap.

Sad for all involved. No one wins in this.

well, the general public is a bit safer with this dude off the streets, so I would say at least public safety took a step forward.

[///M Ryder]

There's no chase to have if you don't have a runner.......Phil