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You're talking foolishness. Each year, there are an estimated 5,419,000 car crashes, with 30,296 being deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. Should we just ban all cars since we could save so many people? -- Use your own logic in reverse. Would you be willing to have yourself and all of your family homeless, destitute, no future job prospects, dying of starvation if it meant the saving of the life of a 70yo grandmother? You are lying to yourself if you say yes. That is the reality that millions of Americans are starting to face.
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It will improve only after China takes action on the Wet Markets. There must have been some mix of death animals that created this virus and it cannot be allowed to go unchecked. As far as timeline, the projections look like the damage could disparate by early June.
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problem is that then people who have immunity would get preferential treatment. those who quarantined and followed the rules to avoid the virus would be left jobless as no one would want to hire them. It would incentivize people getting sick.
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Honestly I think eventually we will ALL get this, but I'd rather have it be at a time like say next year when there is a vaccine and a hospital bed than now when I'll be on a cot in the street just waiting to die. The problem is there are too many unknowns right now. Basically anyone with any kind of "underlying health issue" isn't safe. I had lung surgery 10 years ago. Technically I qualify as a risk according to my doc, even though I'm very active and play sports and have had zero issues since. It's a hard call to make, and I don't envy people in positions that are making these decisions.
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There is no lockdown in USA so it could get worse. Everyone agrees that lockdown is a must.
I would give it a few months until things start getting back to normal....that's my personal opinion, I have no clue. We should really have 1 month lockdown and 1 month of quarantine like now |
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Not saying everyone is going to die. And not saying it is as simple as 'go broke, save grandma'. Just saying that if we keep going like this, we will totally crash the health system (and a lot of people will die). Lots of those people will be the car crashes you mentioned (2.4 million injuries and only 35k fatalities only happens b/c we have good trauma services - how many die with no hospital service). That would be a bigger financial blow than the shutdown. And where was all this bleeding heart concern for the deadly risks of poverty when they started to kick people off the food stamps roles, or all the talk about cutting back on social security and medicaid?
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Quicker than some of you think. This thing kills 0.3 to 0.5% at best.
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But that's not the big issue. We aren't just talking about flu patients dying, it will be the whole hospital system that gets taken down. I'd rather deal with out of work people than try to live without hospitals (and I think referring to them as "homeless, destitute, no future job prospects, dying of starvation" might be a little overdramatic, if they weren't there already). |
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Complete lockdown is better for economy in a long run. That's coming from economists world wide who recently met in Chicago.
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I'm thinking that SIP and the like will die sooner rather than later. People are going to start saying "f**k it" and just go out again. I already see hints of it here and we're just wrapping up week #3. But that won't be everyone. I suspect that people who are truly at greater risk of serious consequences from the virus will stay holed up for quite some time. But there will be more people out and about to help those folks.
The next big move will be when the antibody test becomes widely available. I'd like to think that will be within 6 or 8 weeks but I may be optimistic. A positive for antibodies is a "get out of jail" card AND it means that person will not infect ANYONE. A valuable thing. Once we have a significant number of those people, then the return to something resembling what we used to have will start to happen. But people will continue to get sick from, and die of, COVID-19 for a long, long time. Until there is a vaccine. And we'll need to be very careful around the vulnerable people until then. And I think we will see masks on people in the US as a normal sight from this point onward. Maybe folks who are sick will wear them to keep from getting other people sick; that would be nice. But mostly I expect it will be the paranoid folks and conspiracy theorists. |
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That might be true in some scenarios but I'm sure the economists came up with that conclusion based off an estimate on how long of a lockdown would be deemed effective to stamp out the virus. A 4 week lockdown and a 26 week lockdown probably shows different results.
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I had June in my head when I looked in this thread. At some point these "any life is work sacrificing America for" people screaming will get drowned out as some states start to peak and fall and well start heading back towards normalish - or at least the new normalish. People need to get a grip - there is a LOT of room between ignoring it and doing nothing and climbing in a bomb shelter for a year.
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