View Poll Results: Which version of the G8X M3/M4 are you buying? | |||
M3/M4 RWD 6MT | 58 | 23.20% | |
M3/M4 Competition RWD ZF8 | 41 | 16.40% | |
M3/M4 Competition AWD ZF8 | 113 | 45.20% | |
Have not decided / not interested | 38 | 15.20% | |
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09-20-2020, 10:15 PM | #23 | |
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We have people buying cars with ceramic brakes and complaining they squeal on the freeway and around town. We have people buying an "automated-manual" gearbox and complaining it's not very smooth in stop & go traffic. We have people complaining that the car doesn't accelerate quickly enough when you floor the throttle at a stop light. My proposed solution: make a luxurious 350i xDrive that is $20K more expensive - and has a really good 0-60 time. Then sell a 'stripped down version' as the M3 that is 20s/lap faster round a track if you learn how to drive it well. |
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09-20-2020, 10:29 PM | #24 | |
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I don't even know which one I would choose in the end... definitely rwd if it proves to have better traction than the F80 and rides on a proper rear end that hooks. If however; the Awd model is "slightly" heavier and has a selectable system akin to the M5... well that is hard to pass and I think many will see it that way as well.
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09-21-2020, 09:12 AM | #26 | |
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On top of that, BMW doesn't care about "Motorsport" or heritage, unless it helps to boost sales. In the end, as every other company, they want to make $$$, so they are developing what they can sell = what the majority of the people want. And the poll clearly says it's AWD and an automatic transmission. (But I'm surprised 18% are going for a manual, F82 had >90% takerate for the DCT). |
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09-21-2020, 09:48 AM | #27 | |
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On the other hand I'm somewhat surprised that the Competition ZF8 is much more popular in AWD than RWD on this forum. But then I'm interested in the AWD version and I've never owned an AWD car myself. I've always been a RWD car guy but I'm tempted to own a BMW that can launch fast at a light without wheel spin
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Also as I have noted on many polls, these aren't even close to being real, scientific, or even directionally accurate of what the overall site feels (forget the general market). They are for fun and as such are only clicked on by those who feel like going out of their way to be heard and happened to stumble across while it was at the top of the thread list.... |
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09-21-2020, 11:10 AM | #30 | |
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That said I’m surprised that so many on this forum are ready to abandon RWD. There’s been so much venom against AWD in the past on these forums. Personally I never had an AWD BMW among the 10+ I’ve owned. I’m looking forward to exploring its capabilities, especially the launch out of corners and additions to average speed. The different feel and learning how to get the best out it, all very exciting to me. Can’t wait! |
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09-21-2020, 11:15 AM | #31 | |
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BMW knew what they were getting into when they decided to offer an MT for the G8x, so I think it'll be sustainable as long as the take rate percentage stays in the double digit range (in the US - I expect ROW figures to be very low). Beyond the G8x generation, well, it has been a foregone conclusion for some time now that this would be the final generation to drive home in a new BMW with a manual transmission. So get them while you can. |
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09-21-2020, 11:43 AM | #32 | |
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F87 MT take rate was about 50% in US IIRC, seems that's where all the purists went. |
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09-21-2020, 11:45 AM | #33 |
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Guys... even if you put in everyone from the 3 other options into a so called RWD camp... the AWD numbers are still higher... this is mind blowing to me albeit entirely predictable... oh and remember this is an "enthusiast forum" not the mainstream which will care about everyday drivability even more... future looks bleak for the RWD model. I am under the impression they are releasing the RWD model to milk sales as much as possible early on before the AWD model shows up.
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Yes, just like the manual transmission, the RWD high performance BMW was also already expected to be gone after this generation. This is where things have been trending for some time. These are the twilight years, and BMW already knows that. They have been expecting modest sales of the RWD/MT model, and they have planned for this from the very start.
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I don't want the dead steering and extra weight of front driveshafts, CV joints etc. And I don't need AWD to avoid spinning the rear wheels. That's what my right foot is for (and slightly better tires than OEM*). * 295/30/r20 PS4s on the rear of an F82 are just great if your foot isn't made of lead Last edited by pbar; 09-21-2020 at 11:51 PM.. |
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My first choice would've been awd manual because northeast snow but i think the ZF will be hard to make snappy like a DCT , Porsche and AMG still don't have torque converters for a reason. |
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If BMW plays this right, it could even be subsidized by the people who will gravitate to buying a 'fully loaded' executive-mobile with the fastest 0-60 time and the biggest engine capacity. I know this is totally unrealistic given the business/marketing people who make these decisions, but I like to dream. |
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DCT would have spiced up the other variants(RWD DCT, AWD DCT) and made the purchase decision much easier but they decided to put the generic ZF8 used in Audis.
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Is there no base RWD option with AT?
I don't need a competition model. More accurately, I am part of the 99.9% of the population that cannot push the limits of a base M3, let alone a competition model. But that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy driving. Right now, I would take the base RWD model with MT. I just wonder if the MT will annoy me a year from now when the novelty has worn off and I'm stuck in traffic. I drove a MT for 10+ years when I was younger. But now I'm older and lazier. |
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09-23-2020, 08:10 AM | #44 |
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Very interesting that the poll numbers have changed yet again... I would expect the 6MT take rates to plummet even further knowing that the car is missing the 80 LB FT the Auto is. That's a serious sacrifice all things considered, how many will stay true to MT?
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