[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

Something else for the detractors to obsess about.
This will be silenced as well as soon as lap times are established.

its not hard to beat F87 lap times seeing as it doesn't have ANY good ones due to the crappy twitchy body

[ronin13013]

I'm done with the f87 vs G87. I was thinking about the RS3 Supra etc...

Originally Posted by ASAP

its not hard to beat F87 lap times seeing as it doesn't have ANY good ones due to the crappy twitchy body

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Here's the deal. No one is saying the car will suck because of its weight. People are saying the car would be even better if it weighed less.

It's just a disappointing trend even if it is inevitable.

It is an old and on-going trend. Hardly worth the amount of debate it brings to a new car in this day/time.

[M3R1]

All of the cars discussed on these forums are very fast for the street. If you drive them anywhere near the limits, bad things will happen.

Buy the one you like, that you can afford, and be proud of it.

[rk95]

Just so everyone is clear, I could care less about the weight increase. I am excited for this car and to place my order lol. I was just curious about the others who were concerned

[Rk-d]

Originally Posted by rk95

Out of curiosity… how many of you out there actually track your M vehicles hard? How many plan on tracking this M2 regularly? I see the comments about weight, and sure, it's nearly the same as an M4, however if you are using this vehicle as a weekend joy ride/stress reliever then why do you care about the weight? It is unlikely you will push the car to its limits on street roads regardless. Just my 2 cents, and I am genuinely curious why weight matters as much to some of you if you aren't planning on tracking the car.

I don't like the weight increase because you can feel the weight of the car. It affects the way the car drives and feels. You can't hide that, no matter who clever you are.

The weight of the new one is absolutely ridiculous.

[JTO24]

Like others have stated, the weight figure is a bit disappointing, on paper. More weight does mean you will go through consumables at a relatively higher clip, even if you can't feel the weight increase. I went from my OG M2 to my current G80 6mt and the G80 is just as fun on the streets as my M2 was. The suspension and mechanical grip on the G cars is a big step up from that of the F8x gen cars I've owned. If the G87 drives like a more nimble version of my G80, it should be a fantastic street car.

[RM7]

It's heavier than my Camaro 2SS 1LE that has 295/305 tires, so I'm expecting great things.

[kyrix1st]

It's not even about track days really. You will start to feel the weight taking 90mph sweepers or going 60mph into a 90 deg corner. There's only so much strut damping can do, and on the twisties where the car transitions left and right, weight becomes very noticeable.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I could forget looks, weight etc... almost everything...

as long as the suspension / chassis is better than the boeing 747 suspension of the F87 with the twitchiness of a skateboard

Yup, which is why any of us who've tracked our cars probably addressed the suspension. A full Dinan coilover setup made a huge difference for me.

The G87 sounds like it's ready to go out of the box.

[pal]

I have about 44 track days with the F87 M2 (OG, LCI). My focus has been some easy weight reduction, and my net reduction has been about 90lbs (3450 to 3360) with a full tank of gas and without me. The car feels more nimble - I mean its not night and day, but it is better on track. As I get quicker, the consumables are getting, well consumed, even faster as 3360lbs is not exactly light.

I am assuming BMW published the weight of the US car (3814 for a 6MT) with a sunroof. So let's deduct 60lbs for that, another 13 for the carbon roof option, and 23 for the carbon buckets. That puts the car at 3718lbs. That's 268lbs heavier than the OG M2, and its got 85 more horsepower. Plus, it seems like its capable and hides it weight well. That means drivers can push it hard. Since the weight didn't go away, I can only imagine what it will do to consumables like tires and brake pads.

And to anyone that says you cannot feel the change in weight, I say you need to experience this. As an instructor, I've had all manner of students in the right seat of my car, the same day as I drive myself. And anyone over 150-160lbs most definitely leads to me adjusting my braking points and cornering lines.

[DSTR]

If you are concerned about weight - Get a Lotus. Not a modern BMW- Weight issues are certainly not news.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Best way to answer this is to go watch the dozen or so test drives of the M2 prototype from earlier this year.

NONE of them said it felt heavy. To the contrary, they raved about what a great, nimble drivers car it is!

People are getting so hung up on weight but option it with a 6MT, Carbon roof and seats and you'll drop 75 or so lbs. Swap a lithium battery (as I've done in my F87) and you'll drop another 34 lbs. If you'd like, BBS or Apex wheels may save another 12-15 lbs.

But again.....stop speculating and go listen to the people who've actually driven it!

"Performance on par with M2CS."

Personally, I have zero interest in what the influencers have to say about a new BMW product.

[Brainofjjj]

I'd prefer It was lighter but it won't stop me from buying. Porsche is able to keep their cars light ish and wish bmw paid more attention to that. My spec e46 is around 2650 pounds and it's hard to understand where 1400 more pounds lives. Electronics sure but surely they can cut weight somewhere.
My old ctsv was 4100 pounds but it had a supercharged v8 and 4 doors.

[Caerus]

Originally Posted by DSTR

If you are concerned about weight - Get a Lotus. Not a modern BMW- Weight issues are certainly not news.

I went from a BMW E36 M3 to Corvette C6 to a Lotus Elise thinking this was the panacea of track cars. Boy did it open up a whole new can of worms to attend to. That was short lived; back to Porsche now BMW again. Full circle I suppose.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by pal

I have about 44 track days with the F87 M2 (OG, LCI). My focus has been some easy weight reduction, and my net reduction has been about 90lbs (3450 to 3360) with a full tank of gas and without me. The car feels more nimble - I mean its not night and day, but it is better on track. As I get quicker, the consumables are getting, well consumed, even faster as 3360lbs is not exactly light.

I am assuming BMW published the weight of the US car (3814 for a 6MT) with a sunroof. So let's deduct 60lbs for that, another 13 for the carbon roof option, and 23 for the carbon buckets. That puts the car at 3718lbs. That's 268lbs heavier than the OG M2, and its got 85 more horsepower. Plus, it seems like its capable and hides it weight well. That means drivers can push it hard. Since the weight didn't go away, I can only imagine what it will do to consumables like tires and brake pads.

And to anyone that says you cannot feel the change in weight, I say you need to experience this. As an instructor, I've had all manner of students in the right seat of my car, the same day as I drive myself. And anyone over 150-160lbs most definitely leads to me adjusting my braking points and cornering lines.

This is why people shouldn't put too much stock in these magazine reviews that say "its heavy but it still handles great". Can guarantee if you put those people on a track in a G87 and then an OG F87 they would 100% notice a difference. A heavy car doesn't have to mean bad handling, but when you lighten that car by 400 lbs its going to feel significantly different on a track.

[David.m]

Originally Posted by ASAP

its not hard to beat F87 lap times seeing as it doesn't have ANY good ones due to the crappy twitchy body

"crappy twitchy body"? ....explains why an F87 M2C (admittedly with all M Performance c/f parts & I believe M2CS tune but all on control tyres) won the Bathurst 6hr series production race this year up against the F80 & F82 cars that won the 3 previous races. Despite less power it's fastest lap was 2:24.7, the F80 2:27.1 & F82 2:26.7.

Here are weight specs from BMW Germany pdf docs at time of release so exclude market dependent options, weight in kg unladen (ready to drive with 90% fuel) & DIN (add 75kg to driver/luggage), all for 6MT:

M2 1495/1570
M2C 1550/1625
M2CS 1550/1625
G87 1700/1775

G87 accompanying doc says carbon roof option saves 6kg & M Carbon buckets 10.8kg

[10"]

weight is not just about tracking cars—it's about everyday fun and feel.

power and good suspension can make a heavy car fast, but it cannot make a heavy car feel agile like a light car—-ever. Lighter cars feel alive, tossable, and controllable in a way heavier cars cannot.

I am considering buying the G87 as a 2nd car—and seriously 1 of the 2 issues that is really really bothering me is weight.

My 1M is around 3250 lbs and the G87 M2 is around 3850 lbs. That is a huge, huge difference to me. I think I can deal with it because the G87 won't be my primary car—I will share its use with my wife—but it still really bothers me.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by David.m

"crappy twitchy body"? ....explains why an F87 M2C (admittedly with all M Performance c/f parts & I believe M2CS tune but all on control tyres) won the Bathurst 6hr series production race this year up against the F80 & F82 cars that won the 3 previous races. Despite less power it's fastest lap was 2:24.7, the F80 2:27.1 & F82 2:26.7.

Here are weight specs from BMW Germany pdf docs at time of release so exclude market dependent options, weight in kg unladen (ready to drive with 90% fuel) & DIN (add 75kg to driver/luggage), all for 6MT:

M2 1495/1570
M2C 1550/1625
M2CS 1550/1625
G87 1700/1775

G87 accompanying doc says carbon roof option saves 6kg & M Carbon buckets 10.8kg

Is the 6 lb saving for CF roof relative to the non-moonroof option or moonroof option? I imagine depending on which is standard in the region, the base weight will be based on that version which in the case of the moonroof could be more?

[David.m]

Originally Posted by trey100

Is the 6 lb saving for CF roof relative to the non-moonroof option or moonroof option? I imagine depending on which is standard in the region, the base weight will be based on that version which in the case of the moonroof could be more?

it didn't mention the moonroof so would be reasonable to say the 6kg (13lb) saving is over standard steel roof.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by David.m

"crappy twitchy body"? ....explains why an F87 M2C (admittedly with all M Performance c/f parts & I believe M2CS tune but all on control tyres) won the Bathurst 6hr series production race this year up against the F80 & F82 cars that won the 3 previous races. Despite less power it's fastest lap was 2:24.7, the F80 2:27.1 & F82 2:26.7.

Here are weight specs from BMW Germany pdf docs at time of release so exclude market dependent options, weight in kg unladen (ready to drive with 90% fuel) & DIN (add 75kg to driver/luggage), all for 6MT:

M2 1495/1570
M2C 1550/1625
M2CS 1550/1625
G87 1700/1775

G87 accompanying doc says carbon roof option saves 6kg & M Carbon buckets 10.8kg

Never seen a stock M2C weigh in at 1550kg(3,417)...no way. Most forum members weighed the cars in around 3600lbs. Only ones that weighed anywhere near 3,417lbs had a lot of weight reduction mods.

Savagegeese weighed their bone stock M2C dct test car.




There is a forum member that weighed his G82 M4 at 3,660 lbs. That is nearly 100lbs less than press release weight. Let just wait and see what members weigh their cars at.

[02M3ForMe]

There’s a massive difference between adding 100kg with ballast or a passenger and adding that weight by stiffening the chassis, using a stronger power plant with more demanding cooling/lubrication needs, widening the car, etc.

The extra 6% of weight over the F8x isn’t a talking point when the new car puts seconds on the older, lighter hardware at even tight and technical venues. The G80 Comp runs with the 992 C2S and 718 GT4; the performance ROI on the extra weight is proven.

Look under a G8x, then drive one.