[chris719]

A shit ton of ICE cars catch on fire in serious accidents. A number of fatalities are people trapped in burning cars. The moral of the story is that anytime you have a lot of potential energy stored in a device and smash it to pieces it is likely to be liberated. The major difference is going to be that battery fires are harder to put out.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

Guess I'll stay with ICE, they never catch on fire.

Of course they do, but they don't take 2 hours and 12,000 gallons of water to extinguish the fire.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Yep, I've never, EVER, EVER seen an ICE car engulfed in flames on Georgia 400 on my way downtown with two lanes of traffic blocked by emergency vehicles dousing said car with water. Never.

Lots of ICE cars burn, generally the fire is out quickly and it doesn't take 12,000 gallons of water to put it out.

[IsleOfMs]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

"A Tesla burst into flames on a Pennsylvania highway late Tuesday morning, burning so hot as to only be recognizable by its rims, firefighters said."

It's 2022 and supposed educated people are still using this word.

SMH

drives me nuts too. The rim is just one part of the wheel. I know it's just a vernacular and it's strange how some slang words bother me and I just roll with others.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Lots of ICE cars burn, generally the fire is out quickly and it doesn't take 12,000 gallons of water to put it out.

You're right. LOTS of ICE cars burn.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a38225...ric%20vehicles.

"There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles."


We get it. Many people here are against EV's. But posting an EV hate thread about once a week does nothing for the transitioning into an EV world in the VERY NEAR FUTURE.

I just can't wait for 2030 already. Because i know a lot of people here will finally give in and accept for what's to come

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

You're right. LOTS of ICE cars burn.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a38225...ric%20vehicles.

"There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles."


We get it. Many people here are against EV's. But posting an EV hate thread about once a week does nothing for the transitioning into an EV world in the VERY NEAR FUTURE.

I just can't wait for 2030 already. Because i know a lot of people here will finally give in and accept for what's to come

Sounds terribly boring...

[NeverL8]

What a stupid thread

[GoneIn4Secs]

Took 12,000 gallons of water to douse the fire rather than the normal 500 gallons it takes with an ICE car,

Yep sounds about right, we are on course to save the planet and prevent climate change

If there's no water left, then the climate cant change cause there will be no climate right?? 😏 Because science?? ☺


😂😂😂

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Sounds terribly boring...

And no one will change what’s to come.

That’s the funny part that’s not boring lmaoooooo

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

And no one will change what’s to come.

That’s the funny part that’s not boring lmaoooooo

No, it still sounds boring. Oh well, ICE vehicles will be around for enough time to bring me into early retirement and then I can just buy "classic ICE cars". I guess it will be my kids who will have to live the boring EV life.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

No, it still sounds boring. Oh well, ICE vehicles will be around for enough time to bring me into early retirement and then I can just buy "classic ICE cars". I guess it will be my kids who will have to live the boring EV life.

Exactly. You can still drive an ICE car when all the 10 second EV that soccer moms will be driving in the future.

But hey maybe the government will allow recreational events for ICE on sundays only. Just gotta pay the 20 dollars a gallon gas to do so when that time comes lmaooo

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

No, it still sounds boring. Oh well, ICE vehicles will be around for enough time to bring me into early retirement and then I can just buy "classic ICE cars". I guess it will be my kids who will have to live the boring EV life.

If your 30-35 or older, Ice will never be gone. Gas will not be 20 a gallon. You will be long dead before Merica can get all that figured out. Especially since 2024 it's going Red in Washington. Don't panic yet.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

From the article

Generally a bad thing to do to your car in general.... EV or not. Now with these EVs the "gas" tank is the whole bottom of your car.

I wonder how long before parking garages ban EVs because their sprinkler systems can't put out their fires?

I was in New York City a few months ago and noticed when purchasing parking in garages downtown many of them banned Teslas specifically.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by hihowareyougood

Statistically speaking, the chances of your car catching fire is minimal to begin with, EV or ICE. Honest question, how many of you guys actually had your car catch fire in all the years that we've been driving? I'm far more worried about distracted drivers in their lifted trucks or behemoth SUVs driving 80+ on the freeway. Those things can drive straight over my F87 like it's a speed bump. I hope your decision to buy a car isn't solely or heavily based on how it will fare if it catches on fire, as there are bigger risks (and more probable to happen) to consider. Unless of course, the entire point of this thread is all about EV BAD, ICE GOOD

Ahem....me....<cough>nitrous mishap</cough>. The bang and the flames were pretty impressive.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Exactly. You can still drive an ICE car when all the 10 second EV that soccer moms will be driving in the future.

But hey maybe the government will allow recreational events for ICE on sundays only. Just gotta pay the 20 dollars a gallon gas to do so when that time comes lmaooo

None of that will happen, sorry. PS EV's suck

[chris719]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I was in New York City a few months ago and noticed when purchasing parking in garages downtown many of them banned Teslas specifically.

Not many ban them. It's because of the keys or lack thereof btw, not because of fire suppression.

[INTMD8]

Originally Posted by chris719

A shit ton of ICE cars catch on fire in serious accidents. A number of fatalities are people trapped in burning cars. The moral of the story is that anytime you have a lot of potential energy stored in a device and smash it to pieces it is likely to be liberated. The major difference is going to be that battery fires are harder to put out.

Yes, that and EV is stored at -max- potential energy while gasoline is not.

(not yet mixed with air and compressed)

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by INTMD8

Yes, that and EV is stored at -max- potential energy while gasoline is not.

(not yet mixed with air and compressed)

Yes and EV battery energy to storage ratio is waaaaay worse than a tank of gasoline

[phat_joe]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

OMG! All that BLACK smoke! Blew out any enviro carbon credits in one 2 hour burn event.

Not to mention the 12,000 gallons of water used to extinguish the fire - compared to 500 gallons for an environment killing ICE car...

[XutvJet]

The reason if took that volunteer fire department so much water was because they don't have the equipment to treat battery fires. A lot of departments are now having to reconfigure their engines to carry firefighting foams. There is a lot of exxpense with this both in upgrades and what's required to cleanup the aftermath of the fire/foam. The fires can be so intense that they melt the underlying asphalt. Pretty impressive. Guess who is paying most of that cost for all this? You and me taxpayer and insurance carrier.

I play volleyball with a couple of Kansas City firefighters. While they do admit there are way more ICE fires, very rarely are they serious at all. In most cases it's a tiny engine fire and the most drama is trying to get the hood up and hit it with an extingusher or 20 gallons of high pressure water. EV fires though they say rarely are minor and typically become runway fires and burn the car to the ground. The fires are intense and extremely toxic, way more so than an ICE fire due to the chemicals released from the battery. Lastly, the firefighters are very concerned about occupants as many EVs use flush door handles and they've noted that in many instances, the door handles are not retracting in an emergency as designerd. They are also concerned that an unconcious occupant will be killed quickly by burning battery fumes.

[INTMD8]

I thought foam was ineffective with EV fires?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by INTMD8

I thought foam was ineffective with EV fires?

It depends. Non-CO2 foams will likely be somewhat effective with next generation battery designs that have no lower oxide content in the cathode. Right now, they are potentially self sustaining because the oxygen is supplied internally.

There are agents out or in development to help with battery fires.

https://hct-world.com/products/chemi...sulator-agent/
https://hct-world.com/videos/videos-...battery-fires/