[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

Yeah, this is the exact personal thing ppl will have to answer before they buy the base. How much will the upgrades later affect you? If you’re the FOMO type that needs the ‘best’ version of a series run, then just hold off.

Personally, I am really uncertain as to how much more fluff could be added to a Competition Package to create FOMO.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

Yeah, this is the exact personal thing ppl will have to answer before they buy the base. How much will the upgrades later affect you? If you’re the FOMO type that needs the ‘best’ version of a series run, then just hold off.

But in this case we (g87 m2 base) already have the m3 engine. We have a real M engine. We have everything. We basically have an M3 with a smaller body that's been slightly detuned

That's why even though I'm the fomo type I'm not afraid right now. There's not much they could improve on as the m2 is already so close to the m3.

[eddj]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

But in this case we (g87 m2 base) already have the m3 engine. We have a real M engine. We have everything. We basically have an M3 with a smaller body that's been slightly detuned

That's why even though I'm the fomo type I'm not afraid right now. There's not much they could improve on as the m2 is already so close to the m3.

What about the xdrive variant even only on to this base m2 engine? would not that mean a respectable difference in performance ?

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by eddj

What about the xdrive variant even only on to this base m2 engine? would not that mean a respectable difference in performance ?

I specifically wanted rwd 6mt so this is not a factor for me

Xdrive is for pussies

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

I specifically wanted rwd 6mt so this is not a factor for me

Xdrive is for pussies

+1 except I do see why some would want X-Drive if AWD is required. The X-Drive is amazing. My E91 (328xiT) is a tank in snow. In contrast, my E90 (335i) is much more difficult in slippery condition even w/ snow tires.

I do not intend to ever drive the M2 in winter so RWD for me.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3WC

My guess is the Comp gets a modest bump of 20hp, to M3 base 453hp. That way they can still offer a manual.

Beyond that what is there to offer? Maybe a black emblem package, a different wheel option, new exterior color?

The biggest advantage of a Competition model has nothing to do with a power bump or aesthetics and everything to do with the retuning of the entire powertrain and suspension. Seems like a small change, but totally transforms the car.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

I specifically wanted rwd 6mt so this is not a factor for me

Xdrive is for pussies

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

Just my opinion but I think OG M2 were big losers
I would be so mad if I got an M2 without the real M engine and then few years later the m2c gets a real M engine and like a huge horsepower bump

oG m2 owners got fucked hard

I hear you, though OG M2 owners could upgrade to the M2C for not much money since the resale value on the OG was still strong. They also got to enjoy an M2 for 2 years or so, which should count for something. Also, the jump from OG M2 to M2C was uniquely large and is unlikely to happen again this time. The biggest opportunity for the G87 Comp is the addition of M xDrive (big win, but will likely not be offered in 6MT).

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Speak for yourself. If that's the case you're fine in a Corolla because the speed limit is x mph. I want a reliable 900 hp street car and this engine will do it.

Engine can handle it but manual is fried! I wish the manual was better so you can actually tune the car for more HP/TQ and not have to worry about the slush box. I look at the CT4 blackwing and the V6 isn't as good as the S58 but a small tune your above M2/M3 manual powers and your tranny still can handle the extra power. It's odd how GM threw in such a nice tranny for a low volume blackwing and bmw won't do it for a higher volume M2/M3/M4 manual.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Engine can handle it but manual is fried!

Just gotta upgrade the clutch

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Just gotta upgrade the clutch

Is it just the clutch to handle 500 plus tq? Thought it would be a bit more parts/gearing/cooling that couldn't handle it?

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Is it just the clutch to handle 500 plus tq? Thought it would be a bit more parts/gearing/cooling that couldn't handle it?

I'm researching to be honest. People who want to go fast have gone with the xdrive and it makes sense. I'm coming from an Audi and before that a "high" hp BRZ and the awd just puts the power down better

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

I'm researching to be honest. People who want to go fast have gone with the xdrive and it makes sense. I'm coming from an Audi and before that a "high" hp BRZ and the awd just puts the power down better

Agreed with awd and laying down power but it is nice to have the driving aspect of rwd plus Tranny around 500hp/tq. Be in line with the performance spec of the old m2 cs with weight/hp? I did just cancel my m2 order and pondering the blackwing or m2 comp.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Agreed with awd and laying down power but it is nice to have the driving aspect of rwd plus Tranny around 500hp/tq. Be in line with the performance spec of the old m2 cs with weight/hp? I did just cancel my m2 order and pondering the blackwing or m2 comp.

Honestly I'll be happy with a JB4 for now and then when warranty is out I'll go new clutch, port fuel injection and full E85 tune, downpipe and call it a day

[Quadruple VANOS]

Comp isn't too far away. Probably no manual but what's the rush anyway?

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

The biggest advantage of a Competition model has nothing to do with a power bump or aesthetics and everything to do with the retuning of the entire powertrain and suspension. Seems like a small change, but totally transforms the car.

In the past yes. I am looking at this in terms of G82 base vs comp(minus the standard trans for each). What is different with the base G82 suspension vs comp G82? As far as I am aware it is all the same hardware. Also don't see anything about any different tuning for adaptive suspension or diff. From what I have read the only difference performance wise is 10 vs 14 psi(30hp). It really depends if G87 Comp is sold along side or later as a replacement. If it is a replacement, then yes we could see some hardware and tuning changes. With ynguldyn changing his tone on 8/24 "changeover", not so sure G87 is going to follow F87 path.

[JustinHEMI]

I personally would bet against manual for comp, based on the release day video where the BMW guy said that having a manual in this car at all was a great debate inside BMW. It's clear to me that they want to be done with manuals.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I personally would bet against manual for comp, based on the release day video where the BMW guy said that having a manual in this car at all was a great debate inside BMW. It's clear to me that they want to be done with manuals.

Didn't the BMW CEO say they will stick with manuals until 2029 ?

https://jalopnik.com/bmw-m-boss-stic...030-1849666786

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

Didn't the BMW CEO say they will stick with manuals until 2029 ?

https://jalopnik.com/bmw-m-boss-stic...030-1849666786

I guess we'll see what they do. My money is on no manual for comp.

[curtdragon]

Why would they do a manual on the comp?
And because they said they would have manuals until 2029 doesn’t mean it has to be a new trim. They literally can extend the M2 out until then. Do an LCI of the base model.

[Rx-7ames]

I think that if there is an M2 Comp it will follow the current M3/4 format for base vs comp. This is my reasoning:

The F87 started out with the N55 engine and the comp was released to show they switched to the S55 engine. Since the base M2 already comes with an S58 the comp will be a boost in hp with the automatic transmission and the non-comp will remain manual with less hp.

I could be wrong, but either way, I don't see a slight boost in power being worth the wait. You can always tune the 2023 M2 with Dinan or any of the other well known tuners.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3WC

In the past yes. I am looking at this in terms of G82 base vs comp(minus the standard trans for each). What is different with the base G82 suspension vs comp G82? As far as I am aware it is all the same hardware. Also don't see anything about any different tuning for adaptive suspension or diff. From what I have read the only difference performance wise is 10 vs 14 psi(30hp). It really depends if G87 Comp is sold along side or later as a replacement. If it is a replacement, then yes we could see some hardware and tuning changes. With ynguldyn changing his tone on 8/24 "changeover", not so sure G87 is going to follow F87 path.

The G80/2C have had their entire powertrain and suspension retuned. The difference between the F and G series is the G Competition models are all M xDrive so it'll be harder to find specific info on them, but they have definitely been retuned to handle the extra power of the boosted S58 and grip that M xDrive offers. The M2C will be no different sans M xDrive (TBD?), but it'll get a retuning of the engine for more power, the chassis dynamics ala M stablity, steering, braking, M LSD retuning and suspension dampening retuning. They don't need to replace parts, but they may add additional bracing. It's mostly all software tuning.